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Old August 25th 11, 10:24 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
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Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?
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If quasar distribution is even then universe was homogeneous at birth,
but if it is uneven, then other universes are nearby
and tugging at our universe.

If the skew is really bad - i.e. its a straight line, then
probably the origin of the universe is from two massive
black holes colliding at immense speeds many orders of magnitude
faster than c.

For a short period, the resulting debris field would behave
identical to inflation. But soon after that, space and time
will have been born and everything restricted to traveling at c.
Quasars are probably the black hole bits from the original bang
that escaped first without having been vaporized. Their geometric
distribution across the sky is key to understanding the original structure
from whence they came from.

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Old August 25th 11, 02:49 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
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Dear 7:

On Aug 25, 2:24*am, 7
email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_...@enemygadgets .com wrote:
Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?


http://www.sdss.org/dr3/products/val...socat_dr3.html
46000+ objects, most in z =1 to z = 2.2... so not "back at the
beginning".

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If quasar distribution is even then universe was homogeneous
at birth, but if it is uneven, then other universes are nearby
and tugging at our universe.


No evidence of that.

David A. Smith
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Old August 25th 11, 05:22 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
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7 email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets .com wrote in
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Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?
--------------------------------------------------------------

If quasar distribution is even then universe was homogeneous at birth,
but if it is uneven, then other universes are nearby
and tugging at our universe.

If the skew is really bad - i.e. its a straight line, then
probably the origin of the universe is from two massive
black holes colliding at immense speeds many orders of magnitude
faster than c.

For a short period, the resulting debris field would behave
identical to inflation. But soon after that, space and time
will have been born and everything restricted to traveling at c.
Quasars are probably the black hole bits from the original bang
that escaped first without having been vaporized. Their geometric
distribution across the sky is key to understanding the original
structure from whence they came from.



You don't know what black holes and quasars are, do you?
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Old August 25th 11, 05:37 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
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On 8/25/2011 4:24 AM, 7 wrote:
Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?
--------------------------------------------------------------

If quasar distribution is even then universe was homogeneous at birth,
but if it is uneven, then other universes are nearby
and tugging at our universe.

If the skew is really bad - i.e. its a straight line, then
probably the origin of the universe is from two massive
black holes colliding at immense speeds many orders of magnitude
faster than c.


Interesting claim. Can you show (that is, calculate) that such a
collision will produce the skew you claim?


For a short period, the resulting debris field would behave
identical to inflation.


Interesting claim. Can you show (that is, calculate) that the resulting
debris field will be identical to inflation?

But soon after that, space and time
will have been born and everything restricted to traveling at c.
Quasars are probably the black hole bits from the original bang
that escaped first without having been vaporized. Their geometric
distribution across the sky is key to understanding the original structure
from whence they came from.


The problem with amateurs and hacks of this ilk is that they read
Discover Magazine and Popular Science and other dreck stuff. In there
are articles that say things similar to the above, without any of the
supporting information. The reader is not expected to understand where
those claims come from or the evidence for them, they're only delivered
the conclusions. The problem is that this is easy to emulate, simply by
replacing supportable conclusions with wholly fabricated and
unsupportable statements, to PRETEND to be writing about science. This
is nothing more than Playing Dress-Up games. It makes some people feel
better, but it's really very easy to see through.
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Old August 25th 11, 06:54 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
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dlzc wrote:

Dear 7:

On Aug 25, 2:24 am, 7
email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_...@enemygadgets .com wrote:
Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?


http://www.sdss.org/dr3/products/val...socat_dr3.html
46000+ objects, most in z =1 to z = 2.2... so not "back at the
beginning".

--------------------------------------------------------------

If quasar distribution is even then universe was homogeneous
at birth, but if it is uneven, then other universes are nearby
and tugging at our universe.


No evidence of that.



Is the quasar distribution of z=1, z=2 etc evenly spread
out across the sky for each band of z?

It is very interesting to know.

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Old August 25th 11, 07:27 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
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On 25/08/2011 5:24 AM, 7 wrote:
Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?
--------------------------------------------------------------

If quasar distribution is even then universe was homogeneous at birth,
but if it is uneven, then other universes are nearby
and tugging at our universe.


Most surveys say it's evenly distributed. No evidence of other universes
tugging at ours, yet.

If the skew is really bad - i.e. its a straight line, then
probably the origin of the universe is from two massive
black holes colliding at immense speeds many orders of magnitude
faster than c.

For a short period, the resulting debris field would behave
identical to inflation. But soon after that, space and time
will have been born and everything restricted to traveling at c.
Quasars are probably the black hole bits from the original bang
that escaped first without having been vaporized. Their geometric
distribution across the sky is key to understanding the original structure
from whence they came from.


No evidence of any of this.

Yousuf Khan
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Old August 25th 11, 07:31 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
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Default Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?

On 25/08/2011 5:24 AM, 7 wrote:
Quasars are probably the black hole bits from the original bang
that escaped first without having been vaporized. Their geometric
distribution across the sky is key to understanding the original structure
from whence they came from.


We know what quasars are, they are blackholes as you say, but they are
just the normal blackholes at the centers of galaxies that are actively
swallowing gas from their galaxies, also known as Active Galactic Nuclei
(AGNs). The gas that escapes the accretion disk then gets propelled out
through polar jets. These blackholes are no different than the blackhole
at the center of our own galaxy, and our own galaxy might at one time
been an AGN too, and may once again be one in the future, if enough gas
falls towards it.

Yousuf Khan
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Old August 25th 11, 08:38 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
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Dear Yousuf Khan:

On Aug 25, 11:31*am, Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 25/08/2011 5:24 AM, 7 wrote:

Quasars are probably the black hole bits from the
original bang that escaped first without having been
vaporized. Their geometric distribution across the

. sky is key to understanding the original structure
from whence they came from.


We know what quasars are, they are blackholes as you
say, but they are just the normal blackholes at the
centers of galaxies that are actively swallowing gas from
their galaxies, also known as Active Galactic Nuclei
(AGNs). The gas that escapes the accretion disk then
gets propelled out through polar jets.


Like the Milky Way has right now.
http://www.solstation.com/x-objects/gam-bub.htm
.... *someone* out there would sees us as a quasar.

These blackholes are no different than the blackhole
at the center of our own galaxy, and our own galaxy
might at one time been an AGN too, and may once
again be one in the future, if enough gas falls towards
it.


Now the question is, is a quasar *in general* a bipolar light source,
like our own Milky Way?

David A. Smith
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Old August 26th 11, 03:52 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
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On 25/08/2011 3:38 PM, dlzc wrote:
Dear Yousuf Khan:

On Aug 25, 11:31 am, Yousuf wrote:
We know what quasars are, they are blackholes as you
say, but they are just the normal blackholes at the
centers of galaxies that are actively swallowing gas from
their galaxies, also known as Active Galactic Nuclei
(AGNs). The gas that escapes the accretion disk then
gets propelled out through polar jets.


Like the Milky Way has right now.
http://www.solstation.com/x-objects/gam-bub.htm
... *someone* out there would sees us as a quasar.


I saw this as a sign that we were an AGN in the past, but are not one
right now. But then again with intergalactic distances, somebody looking
back at us from another galaxy, might just see us at the exact right
moment when we were erupting.

Yousuf Khan
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Old August 26th 11, 04:01 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.astro
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On Aug 25, 10:22*am, eric gisse wrote:
7 email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_...@enemygadgets .com wrote :





Q: Is quasar distribution even across the sky or is it skewed?
--------------------------------------------------------------


If quasar distribution is even then universe was homogeneous at birth,
but if it is uneven, then other universes are nearby
and tugging at our universe.


If the skew is really bad - i.e. its a straight line, then
probably the origin of the universe is from two massive
black holes colliding at immense speeds many orders of magnitude
faster than c.


For a short period, the resulting debris field would behave
identical to inflation. But soon after that, space and time
will have been born and everything restricted to traveling at c.
Quasars are probably the black hole bits from the original bang
that escaped first without having been vaporized. Their geometric
distribution across the sky is key to understanding the original
structure from whence they came from.


You don't know what black holes and quasars are, do you?- Hide quoted text -

Enlighten us, Eric.
What are they and how are they different?
john
 




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