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Old April 15th 13, 11:10 PM posted to sci.space.history
Greg \(Strider\) Moore
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Default Soviet Mars 3 lander found?

Article about how crowdsourcing may have helped find the Mars 3 lander from
1971.

Images from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter were used.

http://www.uahirise.org/ESP_031036_1345

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Old April 16th 13, 02:17 PM posted to sci.space.history
Bob Haller
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On Apr 15, 6:10*pm, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"
wrote:
Article about how crowdsourcing may have helped find the Mars 3 lander from
1971.

Images from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter were used.

http://www.uahirise.org/ESP_031036_1345


it would be great to recover some of the lost probes and bring them
back to earth to analyze what went wrong
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Old April 16th 13, 05:32 PM posted to sci.space.history
Dean
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On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:17:43 AM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
On Apr 15, 6:10*pm, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"

wrote:

Article about how crowdsourcing may have helped find the Mars 3 lander from


1971.




Images from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter were used.




http://www.uahirise.org/ESP_031036_1345




it would be great to recover some of the lost probes and bring them

back to earth to analyze what went wrong


LOL, after having been proven wrong so many times, you keep bringing this up?
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Old April 16th 13, 06:06 PM posted to sci.space.history
Bob Haller
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On Apr 16, 12:32*pm, Dean wrote:
On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:17:43 AM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
On Apr 15, 6:10*pm, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"


wrote:


Article about how crowdsourcing may have helped find the Mars 3 lander from


1971.


Images from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter were used.


http://www.uahirise.org/ESP_031036_1345


it would be great to recover some of the lost probes and bring them


back to earth to analyze what went wrong


LOL, after having been proven wrong so many times, you keep bringing this up?


tourism is a big industry. while some here dont appreciate it why does
the NASM exist? Or indenpendence hall in philadephia? Heck the liberty
bell could of been used a scrap

Imagine a museum filled with space probes collected from all ver the
solar system It would be a wonderful display....

heck someone might recovery the engines from the apollo 11 saturn 5.
That idea was laughed at but recently it became reality

Heck snoopy if recovered would be a ideal specimen for the long term
exposure to heliospheric orbit.. such info cold help design of the
first probe to a nearby solar system.....
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Old April 16th 13, 06:33 PM posted to sci.space.history
Jeff Findley[_2_]
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Default Soviet Mars 3 lander found?

In article a614ef0f-a4b8-456d-acb3-900e3e4399c6
@cm2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com, says...

On Apr 16, 12:32*pm, Dean wrote:
On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:17:43 AM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:

it would be great to recover some of the lost probes and bring them


back to earth to analyze what went wrong


Doesn't really matter what went wrong. Modern probes share little in
common with that failed Soviet probe.

LOL, after having been proven wrong so many times, you keep bringing this up?


tourism is a big industry. while some here dont appreciate it why does
the NASM exist? Or indenpendence hall in philadephia? Heck the liberty
bell could of been used a scrap

Imagine a museum filled with space probes collected from all ver the
solar system It would be a wonderful display....

heck someone might recovery the engines from the apollo 11 saturn 5.
That idea was laughed at but recently it became reality

Heck snoopy if recovered would be a ideal specimen for the long term
exposure to heliospheric orbit.. such info cold help design of the
first probe to a nearby solar system.....


You're a broken record. You keep playing the same few seconds over and
over and over... Too bad you don't realize that you sound nuts.

Jeff
--
"the perennial claim that hypersonic airbreathing propulsion would
magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper
than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in
and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer
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Old April 17th 13, 10:23 AM posted to sci.space.history
GordonD
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"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
...
bob haller wrote:

On Apr 16, 12:32 pm, Dean wrote:
On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:17:43 AM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
On Apr 15, 6:10 pm, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"

wrote:

Article about how crowdsourcing may have helped find the Mars 3
lander from

1971.

Images from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter were used.

http://www.uahirise.org/ESP_031036_1345

it would be great to recover some of the lost probes and bring them

back to earth to analyze what went wrong

LOL, after having been proven wrong so many times, you keep bringing
this up?


tourism is a big industry. while some here dont appreciate it why does
the NASM exist? Or indenpendence hall in philadephia? Heck the liberty
bell could of been used a scrap


Still comparing apples and aardvarks, I see.


Imagine a museum filled with space probes collected from all ver the
solar system It would be a wonderful display....


Sure it would. And how many TRILLION dollars would it cost to
assemble?


heck someone might recovery the engines from the apollo 11 saturn 5.
That idea was laughed at but recently it became reality


You really don't read very well, do you?


Heck snoopy if recovered would be a ideal specimen for the long term
exposure to heliospheric orbit.. such info cold help design of the
first probe to a nearby solar system.....


You know we already launched one of those, right?



Also, there are no "nearby" solar systems...
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...to touch the face of God."

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Old April 17th 13, 12:18 PM posted to sci.space.history
Bob Haller
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On Apr 17, 5:23*am, "GordonD" wrote:
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in messagenews:1qfsm8hpj9qg50tmbu3cj6ltr4th4s5db0@4ax .com...





bob haller wrote:


On Apr 16, 12:32 pm, Dean wrote:
On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:17:43 AM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
On Apr 15, 6:10 pm, "Greg \(Strider\) Moore"


wrote:


Article about how crowdsourcing may have helped find the Mars 3
lander from


1971.


Images from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter were used.


http://www.uahirise.org/ESP_031036_1345


it would be great to recover some of the lost probes and bring them


back to earth to analyze what went wrong


LOL, after having been proven wrong so many times, you keep bringing
this up?


tourism is a big industry. while some here dont appreciate it why does
the NASM exist? Or indenpendence hall in philadephia? Heck the liberty
bell could of been used a scrap


Still comparing apples and aardvarks, I see.


Imagine a museum filled with space probes collected from all ver the
solar system It would be a wonderful display....


Sure it would. *And how many TRILLION dollars would it cost to
assemble?


heck someone might recovery the engines from the apollo 11 saturn 5.
That idea was laughed at but recently it became reality


You really don't read very well, do you?


Heck snoopy if recovered would be a ideal specimen for the long term
exposure to heliospheric orbit.. such info cold help design of the
first probe to a nearby solar system.....


You know we already launched one of those, right?


Also, there are no "nearby" solar systems...
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...to touch the face of God."


Realtively speaking there are some nearby systems with planets in the
habitible zone. snoopy would be a excellent long term item to study,
since its been exposed so long to deep space, unlike the long term
studies done in earth orbit......
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Old April 17th 13, 06:47 PM posted to sci.space.history
Bob Haller
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Default Soviet Mars 3 lander found?

On Apr 17, 11:44*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:

Realtively speaking there are some nearby systems with planets in the
habitible zone. *snoopy would be a excellent long term item to study,
since its been exposed so long to deep space, unlike the long term
studies done in earth orbit......


Only if we were going to build your hypothetical drone as a copy of
Snoopy. *You see, examination of Snoopy won't tell us anything except
how IT weathered. *This is why things like the Long Exposure Facility
are DESIGNED; to tell us about materials other than those current
things are built of.

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
*territory."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --G. Behn


how long was the long exposure facility exposed to heliospheric orbit?

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Old April 18th 13, 01:32 PM posted to sci.space.history
Bob Haller
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On Apr 18, 12:47*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:
On Apr 17, 11:44*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:


Realtively speaking there are some nearby systems with planets in the
habitible zone. *snoopy would be a excellent long term item to study,
since its been exposed so long to deep space, unlike the long term
studies done in earth orbit......


Only if we were going to build your hypothetical drone as a copy of
Snoopy. *You see, examination of Snoopy won't tell us anything except
how IT weathered. *This is why things like the Long Exposure Facility
are DESIGNED; to tell us about materials other than those current
things are built of.


how long was the long exposure facility exposed to heliospheric orbit?


Rather irrelevant.

Jesus, I wish you'd learn something about SOMETHING...

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine


you are irrelevant.......

you offer nothing but garbage to discussions here.......
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Old April 18th 13, 03:11 PM posted to sci.space.history
Jeff Findley[_2_]
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Default Soviet Mars 3 lander found?

In article 886f02af-c357-4764-b44d-
, says...

On Apr 18, 12:47*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:
On Apr 17, 11:44*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:


Realtively speaking there are some nearby systems with planets in the
habitible zone. *snoopy would be a excellent long term item to study,
since its been exposed so long to deep space, unlike the long term
studies done in earth orbit......


Only if we were going to build your hypothetical drone as a copy of
Snoopy. *You see, examination of Snoopy won't tell us anything except
how IT weathered. *This is why things like the Long Exposure Facility
are DESIGNED; to tell us about materials other than those current
things are built of.


how long was the long exposure facility exposed to heliospheric orbit?


Rather irrelevant.

Jesus, I wish you'd learn something about SOMETHING...


you are irrelevant.......

you offer nothing but garbage to discussions here.......


Bob, I think you're quite mistaken. You're the one making baseless
assertions. Either support them, or drop them.

I've got two issues with your assertion that retrieving Snoopy would be
something worth doing.

1. How is the environment in a a heliocentric orbit (like Snoopy)
different than that in an earth orbit (like a geosync comsat)? If so,
are those differences statistically significant from a materials
sciences point of view?

2. Are the materials on Snoopy even relevant anymore? Remember that
it's been about half a century since the materials were chosen for the
LEM design. How relevant are those materials choices today?

If you can't answer the above questions, then data from the results from
materials exposure experiments on LDEF, Mir, and ISS should suffice.

Jeff
--
"the perennial claim that hypersonic airbreathing propulsion would
magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper
than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in
and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer
 




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