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NASA, SpaceX Set First Dragon Launch To ISS
On Dec 14, 6:48*am, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article 650f8368-3644-41ce-a01f- , says... On Dec 13, 10:02*am, Alan Erskine wrote: On 13/12/2011 5:22 PM, Matt Wiser wrote: Now we'll see if Musk's rocket and capsule can do what he claims they can do. So far from him, it's been 90% talk, 10% actually getting something up and back. What have you got against SpaceX? Nothing against Space X, but Musk: the man's been shooting his mouth off a lot. If he had stuck to his original schedule, the ISS Cargo runs were supposed to be going by now. Not to mention that "retiring on Mars" crap and some other statements that imply he was trying to muscle in on NASA's exploration programs. First cargo flight might happen early this year. * It's still better than paying the Russians. But look at how badly NASA screwed themselves over. *If Griffin hadn't screwed the pooch by pushing Ares I as the one and only manned launch vehicle for NASA, it's likely that we would be manned Orions to ISS on EELV's by now. Your dislike for Musk "shooting his mouth off" is matched by my dislike of Griffin for picking the wrong path forward for NASA's launch vehicle needs. *Oddly enough, both Musk and Griffin are behind Stratolaunch. Griffin is listed as being a "board member" for Stratolaunch. Jeff -- " Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it * up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. " * *- tinker I actually agree with you on Orion/EELV for LEO. But I still loath this Musk-worship you find out there.The man's not the Messiah when it comes to HSF, and he's looking way, way, ahead. At least with this reusable Falcon 9 idea, he's putting up his own dinero- maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. |
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NASA, SpaceX Set First Dragon Launch To ISS
"Jeff Findley" wrote in message ... In article 9ee9f705-fe0b-44d8-8391-557d63d3bd40@ 4g2000yqu.googlegroups.com, says... I actually agree with you on Orion/EELV for LEO. But I still loath this Musk-worship you find out there.The man's not the Messiah when it comes to HSF, and he's looking way, way, ahead. At least with this reusable Falcon 9 idea, he's putting up his own dinero- maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. The nice thing is that he's not the only one. Look at where the money is coming from for Stratolaunch. This is what capitalism is all about. NASA is unfortunately a government run socialistic enterprise when they're developing their own launch vehicles. Jeff -- " Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. " - tinker I'm in favor of SLS/Orion and that doesn't need to be repeated further. In case you haven't noticed, NASA is beholden to Congress, and if Congress says "Thou Shalt build a heavy-lift vehicle" and appropriates the necesary funds, NASA has to do it. They can't pick and choose what parts of the law (such as the 2010 Space Authorization Act) to follow. Stratolaunch will work with small payloads (it's been done with Pegasus before), but larger ones...you need a conventional rocket for those. Musk has admitted that he's only got 1% of the lobbying power that the big boys (Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, ULA, Northrup-Grumman, etc. have). Trying to convince Congresscritters that Commercial Cargo and Crew is a good way forward has been a tough sell. |
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On Dec 15, 2:03*am, "Matt Wiser" wrote:
"Jeff Findley" wrote in message ... In article 9ee9f705-fe0b-44d8-8391-557d63d3bd40@ 4g2000yqu.googlegroups.com, says... I actually agree with you on Orion/EELV for LEO. But I still loath this Musk-worship you find out there.The man's not the Messiah when it comes to HSF, and he's looking way, way, ahead. At least with this reusable Falcon 9 idea, he's putting up his own dinero- maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. The nice thing is that he's not the only one. *Look at where the money is coming from for Stratolaunch. *This is what capitalism is all about. |
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says... "Jeff Findley" wrote in message ... In article 9ee9f705-fe0b-44d8-8391-557d63d3bd40@ 4g2000yqu.googlegroups.com, says... I actually agree with you on Orion/EELV for LEO. But I still loath this Musk-worship you find out there.The man's not the Messiah when it comes to HSF, and he's looking way, way, ahead. At least with this reusable Falcon 9 idea, he's putting up his own dinero- maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. The nice thing is that he's not the only one. Look at where the money is coming from for Stratolaunch. This is what capitalism is all about. NASA is unfortunately a government run socialistic enterprise when they're developing their own launch vehicles. Jeff -- " Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. " - tinker I'm in favor of SLS/Orion and that doesn't need to be repeated further. I'm not. It's reinventing the wheel and doesn't deal with the major difficulty in space travel, which is launch costs, which will not be reduced to a reasonable level until we quit throwing away the booster on every launch. NASA should be working on that instead of yet another stunt. In case you haven't noticed, NASA is beholden to Congress, and if Congress says "Thou Shalt build a heavy-lift vehicle" and appropriates the necesary funds, NASA has to do it. They can't pick and choose what parts of the law (such as the 2010 Space Authorization Act) to follow. And Congress told them to do that because NASA said that that was what they wanted to do. Stratolaunch will work with small payloads (it's been done with Pegasus before), but larger ones...you need a conventional rocket for those. Perhaps, perhaps not. If launch costs are low enough you can put a facility on-orbit to assemble "larger ones" from smaller pieces. Musk has admitted that he's only got 1% of the lobbying power that the big boys (Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, ULA, Northrup-Grumman, etc. have). Trying to convince Congresscritters that Commercial Cargo and Crew is a good way forward has been a tough sell. Why does he have to convince Congress of anything if he doesn't want them to pay for it? If he's got a cheaper system, eventually the public will demand that Congress quit wasting money on NASA's throwaways. |
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NASA, SpaceX Set First Dragon Launch To ISS
On Dec 15, 6:42*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote: congress pure pork projects days are over given tight budgets. as a matter of fact a few months ago all republican candidates pledged to end MSF funding As you've been repeatedly told, no they did not. *And, as has been repeatedly explained to you, things that are said in response to 'forcing' questions hardly ever mean anything. And so we see that, in addition to a total lack of any sort of reasoning facility, your short term memory is apparently shot as well. -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar *territory." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --G. Behn time will tell..... so you believe that while cutting medicare and social security for the masses congress will increase or even not cut space spending? well everyone here knows you live in a dream world |
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NASA, SpaceX Set First Dragon Launch To ISS
On Dec 15, 7:09*am, "J. Clarke" wrote:
In article , says... "Jeff Findley" wrote in message ... In article 9ee9f705-fe0b-44d8-8391-557d63d3bd40@ 4g2000yqu.googlegroups.com, says... I actually agree with you on Orion/EELV for LEO. But I still loath this Musk-worship you find out there.The man's not the Messiah when it comes to HSF, and he's looking way, way, ahead. At least with this reusable Falcon 9 idea, he's putting up his own dinero- maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. The nice thing is that he's not the only one. *Look at where the money is coming from for Stratolaunch. *This is what capitalism is all about. NASA is unfortunately a government run socialistic enterprise when they're developing their own launch vehicles. Jeff -- " Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it * up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. " * *- tinker I'm in favor of SLS/Orion and that doesn't need to be repeated further. I'm not. *It's reinventing the wheel and doesn't deal with the major difficulty in space travel, which is launch costs, which will not be reduced to a reasonable level until we quit throwing away the booster on every launch. *NASA should be working on that instead of yet another stunt. In case you haven't noticed, NASA is beholden to Congress, and if Congress says "Thou Shalt build a heavy-lift vehicle" and appropriates the necesary funds, NASA has to do it. They can't pick and choose what parts of the law (such as the 2010 Space Authorization Act) to follow. And Congress told them to do that because NASA said that that was what they wanted to do. Stratolaunch will work with small payloads (it's been done with Pegasus before), but larger ones...you need a conventional rocket for those. Perhaps, perhaps not. *If launch costs are low enough you can put a facility on-orbit to assemble "larger ones" from smaller pieces. Musk has admitted that he's only got 1% of the lobbying power that the big boys (Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, ULA, Northrup-Grumman, etc. have). Trying to convince Congresscritters that Commercial Cargo and Crew is a good way forward has been a tough sell. Why does he have to convince Congress of anything if he doesn't want them to pay for it? *If he's got a cheaper system, *eventually the public will demand that Congress quit wasting money on NASA's throwaways.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Theres no reason a stratlauncher couldnt be upscaled, to say 4 times its planned size for even bigger heavier payloads..... if the cost per pound is cheap enough. |
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NASA, SpaceX Set First Dragon Launch To ISS
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 05:05:03 -0800 (PST), bob haller
wrote: Theres no reason a stratlauncher couldnt be upscaled, to say 4 times its planned size for even bigger heavier payloads..... Earth to Bob, come in Bob... Four times its current (planned) size would be a 1,500 foot wingspan. Think about that for a while. A wingspan longer than the USS Nimitz or longer than the Empire State Building is tall. You want to FLY that? Brian |
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NASA, SpaceX Set First Dragon Launch To ISS
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
... Brian Thorn wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 05:05:03 -0800 (PST), bob haller wrote: Theres no reason a stratlauncher couldnt be upscaled, to say 4 times its planned size for even bigger heavier payloads..... Earth to Bob, come in Bob... Four times its current (planned) size would be a 1,500 foot wingspan. Think about that for a while. A wingspan longer than the USS Nimitz or longer than the Empire State Building is tall. You want to FLY that? But can't you just paste 16 747s together? Of course not. That's just plane (sic) silly. You can't use paste. You need duct-tape! -- Greg D. Moore President Green Mountain Software http://www.greenms.com Help honor our WWII Veterans: http://www.honorflight.org/ Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. |
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