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Britain's Drowned World - a Time Team special on climate change
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Britain's Drowned World - a Time Team special on climate change
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Androcles wrote: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/t...ls/4od#2922370 It is a deep insult to politicians to be fed BS by holowarming pseudo scientists with made up data to take public money and spend it on fabricating dangerous policies that have no basis in fact. The landscapes that holowarming pseudo scientists are shaping based on creating and managing public perceptions are dangerous to public safety. Where objective science for dams, flood defenses, and river management is replaced by pseudo science policies like carbon trading it does nothing for the public and the constituents of politicians that are going to get killed to satisfy the lust for power and attention by holowarmers and their pseudo science. So are you claiming that archaeologists are wrong to say that the area now under the North Sea and English Channel was dry land 10,000 years ago? Because that's what the program is about, and the evidence is very clear on the change of sea levels between 8,000 BC and today, and the nature of that land and its occupants. The fact that you seem to have gone off on a tangent indicates that you didn't even check to see what the program was about before spouting off. -- Mike Dworetsky (Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply) |
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Britain's Drowned World - a Time Team special on climate change
7 wrote:
Mike Dworetsky wrote: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/t...ls/4od#2922370 It is a deep insult to politicians to be fed BS by holowarming pseudo scientists with made up data to take public money and spend it on fabricating dangerous policies that have no basis in fact. The landscapes that holowarming pseudo scientists are shaping based on creating and managing public perceptions are dangerous to public safety. Where objective science for dams, flood defenses, and river management is replaced by pseudo science policies like carbon trading it does nothing for the public and the constituents of politicians that are going to get killed to satisfy the lust for power and attention by holowarmers and their pseudo science. So are you claiming that archaeologists are wrong to say that the area now under the North Sea and English Channel was dry land 10,000 years ago? Because that's what the program is about, and the evidence is very clear on the change of sea levels between 8,000 BC and today, and the nature of that land and its occupants. The fact that you seem to have gone off on a tangent indicates that you didn't even check to see what the program was about before spouting off. Are you claiming holowarmers are using real data? Now there is an inconvenient truth for you! Your views are not stated clearly except, apparently, that you think there is an EvilConspiracy(tm) out there and you are a Caped Crusader fighting against it. Presumably, you think that the world is due for an Ice Age and so we better keep pumping out the CO2 and CH4 to prevent it. You had a knee-jerk reaction to a thread *title*, without even checking that the link is to a TV archaeology program about sea levels and land use c. 10,000 years ago in the Neolithic. It had nothing whatsoever to do with current events and "Global Warming". Oh, and yes, they are using real data. Do you have better data that you gathered yourself, and can you convince the scientific community that your data are correct by publishing them in peer-reviewed literature? Stealing e-mails is not the same thing. -- Mike Dworetsky (Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply) |
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Britain's Drowned World - a Time Team special on climate change
On Nov 29, 1:18*pm, "Mike Dworetsky"
wrote: 7 wrote: Mike Dworetsky wrote: *http://www.channel4.com/programmes/t...ls/4od#2922370 It is a deep insult to politicians to be fed BS by holowarming pseudo scientists with made up data to take public money and spend it on fabricating dangerous policies that have no basis in fact. The landscapes that holowarming pseudo scientists are shaping based on creating and managing public perceptions are dangerous to public safety. Where objective science for dams, flood defenses, and river management is replaced by pseudo science policies like carbon trading it does nothing for the public and the constituents of politicians that are going to get killed to satisfy the lust for power and attention by holowarmers and their pseudo science. So are you claiming that archaeologists are wrong to say that the area now under the North Sea and English Channel was dry land 10,000 years ago? Because that's what the program is about, and the evidence is very clear on the change of sea levels between 8,000 BC and today, and the nature of that land and its occupants. The fact that you seem to have gone off on a tangent indicates that you didn't even check to see what the program was about before spouting off. Are you claiming holowarmers are using real data? Now there is an inconvenient truth for you! *Your views are not stated clearly except, apparently, that you think there is an EvilConspiracy(tm) out there and you are a Caped Crusader fighting against it. * Presumably, you think that the world is due for an Ice Age Such was the view of "settled science" in the 1970's. Ask Al Gore. and so we better keep pumping out the CO2 and CH4 to prevent it. The earth can experience significant cooling without an ice age. What about those pesky volcanoes that keep erutping. What was the climatic effect of Mt. Pinatubo? *You had a knee-jerk reaction to a thread *title*, without even checking that the link is to a TV archaeology program about sea levels and land use c. 10,000 years ago in the Neolithic. *It had nothing whatsoever to do with current events and "Global Warming". Oh, and yes, they are using real data. *Do you have better data that you gathered yourself, and can you convince the scientific community that your data are correct by publishing them in peer-reviewed literature? Why isn't the Hadley CRU data available to everyone? The problem isn't the quality of the data, but the interpretation of the data. Apparently, the computer code for the climate models is so poorly documented that it is difficult to assess the validity of the output. *Stealing e-mails is not the same thing. -- Mike Dworetsky (Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply) |
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Britain's Drowned World - a Time Team special on climate change
Robert Higgins wrote:
On Nov 29, 1:18 pm, "Mike Dworetsky" wrote: 7 wrote: Mike Dworetsky wrote: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/t...ls/4od#2922370 It is a deep insult to politicians to be fed BS by holowarming pseudo scientists with made up data to take public money and spend it on fabricating dangerous policies that have no basis in fact. The landscapes that holowarming pseudo scientists are shaping based on creating and managing public perceptions are dangerous to public safety. Where objective science for dams, flood defenses, and river management is replaced by pseudo science policies like carbon trading it does nothing for the public and the constituents of politicians that are going to get killed to satisfy the lust for power and attention by holowarmers and their pseudo science. So are you claiming that archaeologists are wrong to say that the area now under the North Sea and English Channel was dry land 10,000 years ago? Because that's what the program is about, and the evidence is very clear on the change of sea levels between 8,000 BC and today, and the nature of that land and its occupants. The fact that you seem to have gone off on a tangent indicates that you didn't even check to see what the program was about before spouting off. Are you claiming holowarmers are using real data? Now there is an inconvenient truth for you! Your views are not stated clearly except, apparently, that you think there is an EvilConspiracy(tm) out there and you are a Caped Crusader fighting against it. Presumably, you think that the world is due for an Ice Age Such was the view of "settled science" in the 1970's. Ask Al Gore. An Ice Age may eventually occur but is likely to be thousands of years away. The orbital elements of the Earth and the inclination of the axis are thought to be involved and these things change slowly. and so we better keep pumping out the CO2 and CH4 to prevent it. The earth can experience significant cooling without an ice age. What about those pesky volcanoes that keep erutping. What was the climatic effect of Mt. Pinatubo? Important but the effect of major eruptions is temporary. You had a knee-jerk reaction to a thread *title*, without even checking that the link is to a TV archaeology program about sea levels and land use c. 10,000 years ago in the Neolithic. It had nothing whatsoever to do with current events and "Global Warming". Oh, and yes, they are using real data. Do you have better data that you gathered yourself, and can you convince the scientific community that your data are correct by publishing them in peer-reviewed literature? Why isn't the Hadley CRU data available to everyone? The problem isn't the quality of the data, but the interpretation of the data. Apparently, the computer code for the climate models is so poorly documented that it is difficult to assess the validity of the output. You'll have to take that up with them. Stealing e-mails is not the same thing. -- Mike Dworetsky (Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply) |
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Britain's Drowned World - a Time Team special on climate change
On Nov 29, 10:27*am, Robert Higgins
wrote: (snip to the crash) Why isn't the Hadley CRU data available to everyone? Because much of the original data were discarded (beware line wrap): http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...eneration.html "They have come up with every possible excuse for concealing the background data on which their findings and temperature records were based. "This in itself has become a major scandal, not least Dr Jones's refusal to release the basic data from which the CRU derives its hugely influential temperature record, which culminated last summer in his startling claim that much of the data from all over the world had simply got "lost". Most incriminating of all are the emails in which scientists are advised to delete large chunks of data, which, when this is done after receipt of a freedom of information request, is a criminal offence. " Only the reduced data are left (think "hockey stick" and Hansen's GISS), and that's only available because of Liberal-backed Freedom Of Information laws designed to prevent government agencies from "keeping the truth from the people". Talk about unintended consequences... The problem isn't the quality of the data, but the interpretation of the data. Apparently, the computer code for the climate models is so poorly documented that it is difficult to assess the validity of the output. "What is tragically evident from the Harry Read Me file is the picture it gives of the CRU scientists hopelessly at sea with the complex computer programmes they had devised to contort their data in the approved direction, more than once expressing their own desperation at how difficult it was to get the desired results. " *Stealing e-mails is not the same thing. ITYM "whistle-blowing". AGW isn't science, it's pure polemics. Mark L. Fergerson |
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Britain's Drowned World - a Time Team special on climate change
" wrote in message ... On Nov 29, 10:27 am, Robert Higgins wrote: (snip to the crash) (snip) ITYM "whistle-blowing". AGW isn't science, it's pure polemics. Mark L. Fergerson And, in todays news. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83XM...layer_embedded |
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Britain's Drowned World - a Time Team special on climate change
"Vince Morgan" wrote in message u... " wrote in message ... On Nov 29, 10:27 am, Robert Higgins wrote: (snip to the crash) (snip) ITYM "whistle-blowing". AGW isn't science, it's pure polemics. Mark L. Fergerson And, in todays news. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83XM...layer_embedded A tip: you don't need the "&feature=player_embedded", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83XMMl9Yzc is enough. |
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Britain's Drowned World - a Time Team special on climate change
"Androcles" wrote in message news "Vince Morgan" wrote in message u... " wrote in message ... On Nov 29, 10:27 am, Robert Higgins wrote: (snip to the crash) (snip) ITYM "whistle-blowing". AGW isn't science, it's pure polemics. Mark L. Fergerson And, in todays news. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83XM...layer_embedded A tip: you don't need the "&feature=player_embedded", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83XMMl9Yzc is enough. Thank you Andro, much appreciated, Vince |
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Britain's Drowned World - a Time Team special on climate change
"Mike Dworetsky" wrote in message ... 7 wrote: Mike Dworetsky wrote: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/t...ls/4od#2922370 It is a deep insult to politicians to be fed BS by holowarming pseudo scientists with made up data to take public money and spend it on fabricating dangerous policies that have no basis in fact. The landscapes that holowarming pseudo scientists are shaping based on creating and managing public perceptions are dangerous to public safety. Where objective science for dams, flood defenses, and river management is replaced by pseudo science policies like carbon trading it does nothing for the public and the constituents of politicians that are going to get killed to satisfy the lust for power and attention by holowarmers and their pseudo science. So are you claiming that archaeologists are wrong to say that the area now under the North Sea and English Channel was dry land 10,000 years ago? Because that's what the program is about, and the evidence is very clear on the change of sea levels between 8,000 BC and today, and the nature of that land and its occupants. The fact that you seem to have gone off on a tangent indicates that you didn't even check to see what the program was about before spouting off. Are you claiming holowarmers are using real data? Now there is an inconvenient truth for you! Your views are not stated clearly except, apparently, that you think there is an EvilConspiracy(tm) out there and you are a Caped Crusader fighting against it. Presumably, you think that the world is due for an Ice Age and so we better keep pumping out the CO2 and CH4 to prevent it. You had a knee-jerk reaction to a thread *title*, without even checking that the link is to a TV archaeology program about sea levels and land use c. 10,000 years ago in the Neolithic. It had nothing whatsoever to do with current events and "Global Warming". Oh, and yes, they are using real data. Do you have better data that you gathered yourself, and can you convince the scientific community that your data are correct by publishing them in peer-reviewed literature? Stealing e-mails is not the same thing. -- "the scientific community"? You represent the scientific community? Stealing emails is stealing. That's a crime. Falsifying data is fraud, at the very least, and that too is a crime. Commiting one crime to expose another is not exactly an ideal method of achieving a just outcome, but it certainly did open some eyes and minds that would have continued to sleep otherwise. |
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