[FWD] Whoops! Wrong stealth pic in previous post!

Herb Schaltegger wrote:


Gee, that's a real prop??? For a real movie??? Please tell me you're
joking. I saw that pic set on the carrie deck and my first thought was
that it was very bad kitbash that some 12-year old had Photo-chopped
onto the pic of flight deck operations.



Actually it's got some nice detail touches you don't find on most
Hollywood props- it appears to be well built, just like Jessica Biel.
Here she demonstrates how fresh water conservation on a modern aircraft
carrier means that Navy pilots must always strive for minimal water
usage during bathing:
http://smartclubber.com/member-photo...ca_Biel_08.jpg

Pat

In article ,
Scott Lowther wrote:
That's going to get a tad bright in the cockpit at night, isn't it? And
a bit loud also, as supersonic shells go flying past you...

Pffff. Details.

Loud isn't likely to be too significant -- guns are going to be noisy no
matter what. But bright is more than just a "detail"; the F-18 gun, located
ahead of the canopy, is notorious for destroying night vision when fired.
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 03:15:56 -0500, OM
om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org
wrote:

Wouldn't surprise me if that was
behind the Air Farce's later push towards all weapons being internally
stored until use.

No, stealth was the reason for the all-internal weapons.

Brian

In article ,
Brian Thorn wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 03:15:56 -0500, OM
om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org
wrote:

Wouldn't surprise me if that was
behind the Air Farce's later push towards all weapons being internally
stored until use.

No, stealth was the reason for the all-internal weapons.

Brian

It also great aids the aerodynamics and performance (which are, of
course, closely intertwined issues).

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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:25:13 -0500, Herb Schaltegger
wrote:

In article ,
Brian Thorn wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 03:15:56 -0500, OM
om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org
wrote:

Wouldn't surprise me if that was
behind the Air Farce's later push towards all weapons being internally
stored until use.

No, stealth was the reason for the all-internal weapons.

It also great aids the aerodynamics and performance (which are, of
course, closely intertwined issues).

....Stealth and aerodynamics had an equal share in this push, but based
on what was seen with the FSW testing and it's relation to when
stealth started becoming the big issue, the aerodynamics probably
became the hot item first. Not too far ahead of stealth, but firstus.

OM

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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:54:20 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote:

http://smartclubber.com/member-photo...ca_Biel_08.jpg

....Didn't anyone tell her the difference between a sink and a bidet?

OM

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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:45:06 -0500, Herb Schaltegger
wrote:

Clone and edge-feathering plug-ins make for very convincing fakes,
especially at low, 96 dpi web-centric resolutions.

....And you don't even need special ones to do that. Mask what you want
to cut, feather the selection by one or two pixels, cut & paste, and
then smooth out any rough edges with a 5% smudge tool using a soft
edge brush no larger than 3 or 4 pixels. If you need shadow
correction, use a layer blend inner shadow and tweak until it looks
good.

....The shadows are where most fakeries get detected right off the bat,
which is why the infamous "Smiling Riker, Bored Troi" porno fakery
does *not* look like a hack job. Someone took the time to adjust the
heads so that the shadowing matched the light sources of the actual
picture. Quite a number of really retarded Trekkies were convinced it
was real until someone posted a comparison pic of Marina Sirtis' chest
from "Blind Date III" to the one in the fakery. The difference was
extremely obvious.

OM

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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:38:00 GMT, Scott Lowther
wrote:

Herb Schaltegger wrote:

Gee, that's a real prop??? For a real movie???

Yes, a full-scale mockup aboard the USS Abe Lincoln.

....They made a mockup of the Abe Lincoln? Wouldn't it have been
cheaper just to rent the Ranger or the Lexington?

OM

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his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:19:52 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote:

In this case, the Northrop design was apparently to give you three
different ways to fly; wings fully out for maneuverable low speed flight
as well as takeoff and landing; wings swept forward for maneuverable
high speed flight; wings swung all the way up alongside the body for
efficient supersonic cruising flight...probably _very_ supersonic; this
looks like something designed to supercruise at around Mach 2.

....And, following Rutan's lead, the next attempt to sell this FSW
technology will include the ability to set the wings into shuttlecock
mode and allow the plane to drop down a bit more safely than it would
normally auger. Either that, or allow it to flap its wings and hope
what works for the birds works for the pilot :-)

I always liked the YF-23; the fuselage/engine bay setup on the
aircraft's top was one of the slickest solutions to the "Area Rule" I
ever saw.

....The YF-23 was still, IMHO, superior to the F-22 it competed
against. While the F-22 was only slightly superior in the tight turn
aspects, the YF-23 was still superior in the supercruise aspects. From
what I've been able to gather over the years, the primary reason the
Air Farce made the decision to go with the
still-years-from-active-duty (C)Raptor(*) was the usual one - the
YF-23 just looked too damned like something that fell off of a UFO.
They wanted something that looked more like a plane - two obvious
wings and at least one tailfin that looked like a tailfin.

....Of course, the Air Farce isn't the sole owner of the title of
Ministry of Stupid Decisions. My beloved Navy goofed on this one as
well, deciding to place their hopes on whatever the JSF eventually
becomes and/or a possible revised A-12 Avenger II program, rather than
taking on a carrier-launched version of the YF-23. Based on what I've
read in _Av Leak_ and some of the _Navy Times_ observations, the
YF-23's lift capabilites were superior enough to the F-22 that it
would have been perfect for carrier launch.

And of course, who was the SecDef who made the decision to not go with
the obviously superior plane? Why, non other than Dickhead Cheney,
kids...

(*) I will give the plane it's due in one area: that's one of the few
planes I've seen do a no-gear belly flop landing and still come out
over 90% intact with a chance of being fixed up and flown again.
Having that flatter bottom appears to have helped based on the footage
I saw when the flop happened.

OM

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his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:54:05 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Couldn't they just talk it into playing a game of chess?

....Tic-Tac-Toe, actually.

Not very many new plots in the world, are there?

....Well, I read the script last night, and the human pilot, realizing
he can't shoot down the drone, gets into a two-seater version with the
female pilot driving the thing along side a maintainence hatch so he
can jump from the plane to the drone, climb into the CPU room, and
lobotomize it enough to where he can take control and land the drone.

No, that's not the bad part. The *bad* part is that, while the CPU is
trying to talk the pilot out of the lobotomy, it starts singing.
"Daisy" I could have handled, but this one starts singing the Village
People's "In the Navy"...

I'm still ****ed that the remake of "Them!" fell through... with
computer animated giant ants, it could have been a lot of fun.

....It's still in development hell right now. In a correspondence I had
with Dean Devlin when he and Roland Emmerlich were still working on it
and "Fantastic Voyage", one of the things that was holding up "Them!"
was that after they'd announced that they'd be using real microscopic
footage instead of Cheerios and strawberry milk in a punch bowl, some
studio exec had seen "Phase IV" and wanted them to look at using
*real* ants matted into CGI. Then "Ferris Bueller's Big Lizard
Misadventure" ****ed up their reputations, and both films went onto
the back burner.

....The FV plot was interesting, as Dean says they planned to make it a
sequel and not a remake. One idea that they'd toyed around with was
that the CMDF team had to go into the body of the President to hunt
down and prevent a team of terrorists who'd been shrunk and injected
into his bloodstream and would kill him if certain demands weren't
met. They'd even planned a scene to show just what would happen if the
shrinking process wore off and the sub was still inside someone's
body. Hint: their ain't enough antibodies to take care of that case of
indigestion, kids.

....One other thing that Pat would have loved: Dean also says that the
sole surviving cast member of the original FV would have shown up as
the project director. The good thing is that Raquel Welch is still
DDFG despite the fact she's old enough to even be my Mom, if not
Henry's ex-wife. The bad thing is that she wouldn't be wearing a
wetsuit covered in crystalizing antibodies :-(

OM

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his country. He won it by making the other | Sergeant-At-Arms
poor dumb ******* die for his country." | Human O-Ring Society

- General George S. Patton, Jr