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Old September 26th 03, 04:18 AM
Ralph Hertle
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Ralph Hertle wrote:
Where can a catalog of Lord Rayleigh's scientific work be found? At what
university or laboratory did he work?



Possibly there?

Royal Institution Proceedings
Rayleigh's Scientific Papers
Cambridge, UK: Cambridge Press

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Old September 26th 03, 09:43 AM
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Bert:

You probably know that Raleigh demonstrated in the laboratory and
proved that the energy level of the photon is reduced in an inelastic
process when a photon collides with a hydrogen atom. He further stated
that the process that he demonstrated in his laboratory was a possible
explanation for the apparent "Red Shift" (of frequencies in
spectrograph displays).


You've raised this before, and you haven't addressed the point that the
red shift is completely independent of frequency.
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Old September 26th 03, 09:43 AM
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In message , Ralph Hertle
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Bert:

You probably know that Raleigh demonstrated in the laboratory and
proved that the energy level of the photon is reduced in an inelastic
process when a photon collides with a hydrogen atom. He further stated
that the process that he demonstrated in his laboratory was a possible
explanation for the apparent "Red Shift" (of frequencies in
spectrograph displays).


You've raised this before, and you haven't addressed the point that the
red shift is completely independent of frequency.
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Old September 26th 03, 06:57 PM
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Ralph I have never read any papers that Lord Raleigh wrote. I never
heard of him. Is he an ancestor of Sir Walter Raleigh? He sounds very
British. Well I do know falling in a gravity field adds energy to
photons,and maybe if we can figure out where this added energy comes
from in the field it could tell us something. Bert

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Old September 26th 03, 06:57 PM
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Ralph I have never read any papers that Lord Raleigh wrote. I never
heard of him. Is he an ancestor of Sir Walter Raleigh? He sounds very
British. Well I do know falling in a gravity field adds energy to
photons,and maybe if we can figure out where this added energy comes
from in the field it could tell us something. Bert

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Old October 2nd 03, 02:49 PM
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GR tells us there is a sameness in magnetic fields,and gravity fields.
Magnetis fields in motion create the energy of electricity. Objects in
motion create gravity energy(waves). There is almost a paradox here. We
feel the force of gravity all the time(our weight),and yet can't find
its wave. With EM force its very much stronger,but we don't feel or see
it all the time. EM waves are so easy to detect,our eyes,and a
small antenna. Could it be that EM waves being so powerful they block
out gravity waves?. I equate this like seeing Mars in day light.
Bert

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Old October 2nd 03, 02:49 PM
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GR tells us there is a sameness in magnetic fields,and gravity fields.
Magnetis fields in motion create the energy of electricity. Objects in
motion create gravity energy(waves). There is almost a paradox here. We
feel the force of gravity all the time(our weight),and yet can't find
its wave. With EM force its very much stronger,but we don't feel or see
it all the time. EM waves are so easy to detect,our eyes,and a
small antenna. Could it be that EM waves being so powerful they block
out gravity waves?. I equate this like seeing Mars in day light.
Bert

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Old October 7th 03, 01:11 PM
G=EMC^2 Glazier
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We Have LISA,and LIGO for gravity wave detection. It does it by the use
of mirrors. Now my theory of gravity comes out of the quantum realm,and
uncertainty rules there. I think LIGO,and LISA will "probably" bring the
reality of uncertainty into the macro realm. Bert PS Since
LISA,and LIGO are trying to detect such very weak gravity waves can we
make use of them as telescopes to detect very weak light waves?

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Old October 7th 03, 01:11 PM
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We Have LISA,and LIGO for gravity wave detection. It does it by the use
of mirrors. Now my theory of gravity comes out of the quantum realm,and
uncertainty rules there. I think LIGO,and LISA will "probably" bring the
reality of uncertainty into the macro realm. Bert PS Since
LISA,and LIGO are trying to detect such very weak gravity waves can we
make use of them as telescopes to detect very weak light waves?

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Old October 7th 03, 05:44 PM
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Bert asks,
Since LISA,and LIGO are trying to detect such very weak gravity waves

can we make use of them as telescopes to detect very weak light waves?

Bert, two entirely different regimes are involved here. Light (EM
radiation) is a transverse wave, while 'gravity wave' (GW) radiation is
longitudinal, that is, a compression-rarefaction wave exactly analogous
to a sound wave. A GW detector is actually a highly specialized acoustic
mircrophone. It's a wholly different critter than EM-detecting
telescopes.
LIGO is a ground-based GW 'microphone' system, which
handicaps it with having to contend with lots of tectonic/ seismic and
man-made noise. So what'd be ideal is a space-based system far away from
all this 'ground noise'. That's exactly what LISA is. Like LIGO, it's a
long-baseline interferometer, but out in a pure and pristine GW
environment. Here's a couple of nice sites on LISA (but note that a
clear-cut distinction is still not being made between gravitation and
'gravity waves')- http://spaceplace.jpl.nasa.gov/lisa_fact2.htm and
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches...es_000727.html

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