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Neil DeGrasse Tyson headed down same loony road as Carl Sagan?
Martin Brown wrote in
news Yours is the God I'm not a theist. That you assume I must be because I find you stupid and ignorant is a product of your stupidity and ignorance. And bigotry. You are, indeed, an atheist, even if you're too cowardly to admit it. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson headed down same loony road as Carl Sagan?
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 08:47:38 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
wrote: I imply that religions are mostly "Just so" stories invented by desert dwelling nomads telling each other stories around the camp fire. They have no significance beyond being good memorable foundation myths. And that is your religious faith, and like all religious faith, is your bigotry. Which goes to show you don't know what "religious" means, you don't know what "faith" means, and you don't know what "bigotry" means. I am *NOT* an atheist. I am a hard line agnostic. So you believe in a deity of some sort? I don't believe you. Though it is novel to redefine "agnostic" to cover atheism. Usually, it's the other way around. True agnosticism has nothing to do with atheism There are agnostic atheists and there are agnostic theists. Agnosticism has to do with the knowability of the question, it has nothing to do with belief. |
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson headed down same loony road as Carl Sagan?
On 21/09/2018 16:48, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
Martin Brown wrote in news Yours is the God I'm not a theist. That you assume I must be because I find you stupid and ignorant is a product of your stupidity and ignorance. And bigotry. You calling me stupid merely exposes your wilful ignorance. You are, indeed, an atheist, even if you're too cowardly to admit it. No I am not. An atheist claims to know that N, the number of deities in the universe is precisely ZERO. I view both the questions of N, the number of deities in the universe and the probability of there being a God just as I would approach any other scientific inference problem using Bayesian prior probabilities. I am a hardline *agnostic*. At least until someone shows up with God like powers and even then I would tend to think that they merely had better advanced technology. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson headed down same loony road as Carl Sagan?
Chris L Peterson wrote in
: On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 08:47:38 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: I imply that religions are mostly "Just so" stories invented by desert dwelling nomads telling each other stories around the camp fire. They have no significance beyond being good memorable foundation myths. And that is your religious faith, and like all religious faith, is your bigotry. Which goes to show you don't know what "religious" means, you don't know what "faith" means, and you don't know what "bigotry" means. I know you don't. But then, you're a Chris, so you don't know much of anything. I am *NOT* an atheist. I am a hard line agnostic. So you believe in a deity of some sort? So we can add "agnostic" to the list of words you don't know the definition of. I don't believe you. Though it is novel to redefine "agnostic" to cover atheism. Usually, it's the other way around. True agnosticism has nothing to do with atheism There are agnostic atheists and there are agnostic theists. Agnosticism has to do with the knowability of the question, it has nothing to do with belief. And here you are in conflict with what you said up above. What a maroon. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson headed down same loony road as Carl Sagan?
Martin Brown wrote in
news On 21/09/2018 16:48, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: Martin Brown wrote in news Yours is the God I'm not a theist. That you assume I must be because I find you stupid and ignorant is a product of your stupidity and ignorance. And bigotry. You calling me stupid merely exposes your wilful ignorance. Or your stupidity. You are, indeed, an atheist, even if you're too cowardly to admit it. No I am not. Yes, you are. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson headed down same loony road as Carl Sagan?
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 17:02:39 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote: No I am not. An atheist claims to know that N, the number of deities in the universe is precisely ZERO. That's a narrow definition. At its broadest, an atheist simply doesn't believe in any deities. Not many claim with certainty that there are none. That's not an intellectually sound or honest claim. |
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson headed down same loony road as Carl Sagan?
Chris L Peterson wrote in
: On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 17:02:39 +0100, Martin Brown wrote: No I am not. An atheist claims to know that N, the number of deities in the universe is precisely ZERO. That's a narrow definition. At its broadest, an atheist simply doesn't believe in any deities. Not many claim with certainty that there are none. That's not an intellectually sound or honest claim. That's the more usual redefinition, the one that self proclaimed (loudly, and relentlessly, like their lives depend on everyone know it) internet atheists use to feel less like a tiny, freakish minority. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson headed down same loony road as Carl Sagan?
There is something quaint about mathematicians trying to treat inspirational matters mathematically as though mathematical notation is the same as musical notation. Long before the emergence of Royal Society empiricism, Pascal as a mathematicians noted something in this vein -
"We must see the matter at once, at one glance, and not by a process of reasoning, at least to a certain degree. And thus it is rare that mathematicians are intuitive and that men of intuition are mathematicians, because mathematicians wish to treat matters of intuition mathematically and make themselves ridiculous, wishing to begin with definitions and then with axioms, which is not the way to proceed in this kind of reasoning. Not that the mind does not do so, but it does it tacitly, naturally, and without technical rules; for the expression of it is beyond all men, and only a few can feel it." http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/p...s-SECTION.html People are having a sense of this certain class of people via Brexit, they don't want a border in Ireland yet want to leave the customs union. The facile objective is to keep the UK aligned with the single market while still making its own trade deals. Everyone else can see it but seemingly Brexiteers can't because it is not in their make-up to see the impossibility of having both arrangements simultaneously. The point here, even though it covers many topics, is that few people have an understanding of the dangers of doing too much with small foundations or ignoring the great inspirational faculties which balances disciplined reasoning with hopeful projections. |
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson headed down same loony road as Carl Sagan?
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 09:38:37 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
wrote: And here you are in conflict with what you said up above. What a maroon. Maroon? |
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson headed down same loony road as Carl Sagan?
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 10:02:09 -0600, Chris L Peterson
wrote: True agnosticism has nothing to do with atheism There are agnostic atheists and there are agnostic theists. Agnosticism has to do with the knowability of the question, it has nothing to do with belief. It has to do with the belief about the knowability. The knowability itself either exists or does not exist, independently of personal beliefs. |
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