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Old April 16th 17, 10:39 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 2:34:57 PM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

How many have already learned the lesson that when daily rotation is subtracted, the entire surface of the Earth turns once to the central Sun as a function of its orbital motion and will turn unevenly in response to the variable orbital speed of the Earth.


Sure, this is precisely why there is an extra sidereal day each year...

All planets have dual surface rotations


So do all moons...

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Old April 17th 17, 12:26 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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A flat Earther is really a byword for those who can't describe the maximum Equatorial speed of a round and rotating Earth via the Lat/Long system, in this case for a 24,901 mile circumference breaks down into an equatorial speed of 1037.5 miles per hour. Whoever is capable of expressing this fundamental fact can discuss astronomy with me otherwise I have no interest out of honor for the human race and its achievements.

The Earth rotates in two different ways and this is why presently the South Pole is experiencing polar twilight while its Northern counterpart dawn and sunrise is well established as the planet turns parallel to the orbital plane.

Not all people are walking graves.








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On Sunday, 16 April 2017 23:39:36 UTC+2, palsing wrote:

Sure, this is precisely why there is an extra sidereal day each year...

All planets have dual surface rotations


So do all moons...


So, if I'm waiting for the bus, on one side of the road, two will race past on the opposite side?
At which latitude do the two rotations slip past each other?
Is it safe to stand there with one foot planted on either side?
Is this the cause of all these earthquakes?
Doesn't The Guinness Book Of Records need two annual volumes, depending on which of the two rotations were involved?
The Mad Monk's 7319th Edition of "Astrology for Imaginary Infants" is getting me all confused. ;-)
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Old April 17th 17, 11:22 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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The orbital motion of the Earth is implied in the year long time lapse by simply concentrating on the Antarctic Continent as it turns parallel with the orbital plane across the fully illuminated face of the Earth from September to March -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFrP6QfbC2g&t=67s

People can't enjoy vandalism and graffiti sprayed on this insight in that it uses the same dual rotations to explain both the seasons and the variations in the total length of the day/night cycle from when the Sun crosses the observer's meridian from one cycle to the next at natural noon.

The objections at the time of Copernicus to a Sun centered system were well founded as the geocentric framework for astronomical predictions was based on the calendar framework. The new perspective which introduces supportive imaging for the polar day/night cycle and its rotational cause is all bound together in the image of the Earth from an orbiting moon that doesn't rotate.

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On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 10:39:36 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:
On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 2:34:57 PM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:



All planets have dual surface rotations


So do all moons...


You create a thread which presents the great human achievement made possible by an orbiting spacecraft in the 'earthrise' photo because there is a side of the moon that doesn't have the Earth in view throughout a lunar orbit of the Earth for obvious reasons.








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On Monday, 17 April 2017 13:00:09 UTC+2, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

You create a thread which presents the great human achievement made possible by an orbiting spacecraft in the 'earthrise' photo because there is a side of the moon that doesn't have the Earth in view throughout a lunar orbit of the Earth for obvious reasons.


Have you seriously considered a career in infant fiction?

With the help of a publisher's skilled editors you might even make a go of it.

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Old April 18th 17, 06:09 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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For people who admire experiences and imaging rather than their own words there is now imaging of a polar dawn or twilight as a component of the single day/night cycle due to a separate rotation to daily rotation -

https://antarcticsun.usap.gov/around...ght_morgan.jpg

Of all the topics I looked into that one was the most difficult to extract and especially at the time there was no imaging to accompany the emerging perception. Much like outer planetary retrogrades which are now a cinch to enjoy as the slower moving planets fall behind in view, the new perspective for the seasons uses dual surface rotations rather than the older tilting Earth.

How many understand that when daily rotation is subtracted that the entire surface turns once to the Sun over the course of an annual circuit and does so unevenly in response to the variable orbital speed of the Earth.

This is what astronomers do.

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On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 10:09:08 AM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

How many understand that when daily rotation is subtracted that the entire surface turns once to the Sun over the course of an annual circuit and does so unevenly in response to the variable orbital speed of the Earth.

This is what astronomers do.


How many understand that this is the extra sidereal day? Astronomers have known this for a very long time.

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In article ,
Gerald Kelleher wrote:

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 6:34:22 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:
On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 10:09:08 AM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

How many understand that when daily rotation is subtracted that the
entire surface turns once to the Sun over the course of an annual circuit
and does so unevenly in response to the variable orbital speed of the
Earth.

This is what astronomers do.


How many understand that this is the extra sidereal day? Astronomers have
known this for a very long time.


You have a short memory or perhaps you are just old, a discussion with me
requires that you can link the 24 hour system with the Lat/Long system, both
exist inside the calendar framework, to admit that the Earth rotates at a
rate of 15 degrees per hour, once in 24 hours or an Equatorial speed of
1037.5 miles per for a circumference of 24901 miles.


It would appear that after years of posting here, nobody is competent to
discuss this with you. At what point will you realize it is futile to
enlighten anyone here and just go away to completely finish and document
your research for posterity?
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Old April 18th 17, 09:33 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 9:03:34 PM UTC+1, Mark Storkamp wrote:
In article ,
Gerald Kelleher wrote:

On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 6:34:22 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:
On Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 10:09:08 AM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

How many understand that when daily rotation is subtracted that the
entire surface turns once to the Sun over the course of an annual circuit
and does so unevenly in response to the variable orbital speed of the
Earth.

This is what astronomers do.

How many understand that this is the extra sidereal day? Astronomers have
known this for a very long time.


You have a short memory or perhaps you are just old, a discussion with me
requires that you can link the 24 hour system with the Lat/Long system, both
exist inside the calendar framework, to admit that the Earth rotates at a
rate of 15 degrees per hour, once in 24 hours or an Equatorial speed of
1037.5 miles per for a circumference of 24901 miles.


It would appear that after years of posting here, nobody is competent to
discuss this with you.



You are the one who said it, the rotation rate at the Equator and everywhere else outside the polar points is 15° per hour hence an Equatorial speed of 1037.5 miles per hour as determined by the 24 hour and Lat/Long system.

Bare minimum is a discussion on the primary fact linking the Earth's motion to geography,geometry and all the other effects of the most immediate day/night. Then and only then can a discussion commence on the polar day/night cycle and its rotational cause before moving on to a combination of the two rotations which account for the seasons and variations in the natural noon cycle.

Breath the Lat/Long system in and out or disappear like so many others have done before, willing to embrace intellectual oblivion than be creative and productive.



 




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