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Old April 13th 17, 09:38 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:38:32 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=dE-vOscpiNc


What a wonderful story and the event where the Earth comes into view seen from an orbiting spacecraft.

Of course the image is diminished by present company who insist on a dynamical absurdity as people looking out at the moon that day would have seen the half phase of the moon or thereabouts.

When people feel at home with imaging and using it for interpretation then they can consider themselves to be among astronomers.
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Old April 14th 17, 02:17 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:38:32 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=dE-vOscpiNc


What a wonderful story and the event where the Earth comes into view seen
from an orbiting spacecraft.

Of course the image is diminished by present company who insist on a
dynamical absurdity as people looking out at the moon that day would have
seen the half phase of the moon or thereabouts.

When people feel at home with imaging and using it for interpretation
then they can consider themselves to be among astronomers.


Wrong!
There was a waxing moon with 29% illumination. It's easy to see this since
you merely have to look at the Earth. The moon from Earth will have the
opposite phase the the Earth from the moon.
Your inability to visualise this is the reason you get things so wrong.



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Old April 14th 17, 07:46 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 2:20:27 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:38:32 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=dE-vOscpiNc


What a wonderful story and the event where the Earth comes into view seen
from an orbiting spacecraft.

Of course the image is diminished by present company who insist on a
dynamical absurdity as people looking out at the moon that day would have
seen the half phase of the moon or thereabouts.

When people feel at home with imaging and using it for interpretation
then they can consider themselves to be among astronomers.


Wrong!
There was a waxing moon with 29% illumination. It's easy to see this since
you merely have to look at the Earth. The moon from Earth will have the
opposite phase the the Earth from the moon.
Your inability to visualise this is the reason you get things so wrong.


Suit yourself, thereabouts at the time of the images means less than two days from half phase -

https://www.calendar-12.com/moon_calendar/1968/december

The original image ,outside the spectacular first observation that it was, should have generated so much additional material for working as with it subsequent orbit of the spacecraft and 'earthrise' the change in the circle of illumination could be noted along with the changing relationship between the Earth's polar points and the circle of illumination.

The classrooms of schools and colleges became the intellectual killing fields and extermination camps for astronomical interpretation and the relationship between planetary dynamics and terrestrial sciences but that era is slowly passing away and a new era is dawning. Given the Holy Day that is in it, there is that strange darkness at the South Pole that signals a wonderful period ahead -

https://www.usap.gov/videoclipsandmaps/spwebcam.cfm




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Old April 14th 17, 11:07 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 2:20:27 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:38:32 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=dE-vOscpiNc

What a wonderful story and the event where the Earth comes into view seen
from an orbiting spacecraft.

Of course the image is diminished by present company who insist on a
dynamical absurdity as people looking out at the moon that day would have
seen the half phase of the moon or thereabouts.

When people feel at home with imaging and using it for interpretation
then they can consider themselves to be among astronomers.


Wrong!
There was a waxing moon with 29% illumination. It's easy to see this since
you merely have to look at the Earth. The moon from Earth will have the
opposite phase the the Earth from the moon.
Your inability to visualise this is the reason you get things so wrong.


Suit yourself, thereabouts at the time of the images means less than two
days from half phase -

https://www.calendar-12.com/moon_calendar/1968/december

The original image ,outside the spectacular first observation that it
was, should have generated so much additional material for working as
with it subsequent orbit of the spacecraft and 'earthrise' the change in
the circle of illumination could be noted along with the changing
relationship between the Earth's polar points and the circle of illumination.

The classrooms of schools and colleges became the intellectual killing
fields and extermination camps for astronomical interpretation and the
relationship between planetary dynamics and terrestrial sciences but
that era is slowly passing away and a new era is dawning. Given the Holy
Day that is in it, there is that strange darkness at the South Pole that
signals a wonderful period ahead -

https://www.usap.gov/videoclipsandmaps/spwebcam.cfm






Look at your own link. It's described as a waxing crescent moon. Nobody
would look at this and say it was almost a half moon.
Scientifically the image was of no significance. But it was a public
relations triumph (like the Apollo 8 mission itself). I had a poster of
this on the wall above the fireplace of my flat for years.


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Old April 15th 17, 11:05 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 11:10:37 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 2:20:27 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:38:32 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=dE-vOscpiNc

What a wonderful story and the event where the Earth comes into view seen
from an orbiting spacecraft.

Of course the image is diminished by present company who insist on a
dynamical absurdity as people looking out at the moon that day would have
seen the half phase of the moon or thereabouts.

When people feel at home with imaging and using it for interpretation
then they can consider themselves to be among astronomers.


Wrong!
There was a waxing moon with 29% illumination. It's easy to see this since
you merely have to look at the Earth. The moon from Earth will have the
opposite phase the the Earth from the moon.
Your inability to visualise this is the reason you get things so wrong..


Suit yourself, thereabouts at the time of the images means less than two
days from half phase -

https://www.calendar-12.com/moon_calendar/1968/december

The original image ,outside the spectacular first observation that it
was, should have generated so much additional material for working as
with it subsequent orbit of the spacecraft and 'earthrise' the change in
the circle of illumination could be noted along with the changing
relationship between the Earth's polar points and the circle of illumination.

The classrooms of schools and colleges became the intellectual killing
fields and extermination camps for astronomical interpretation and the
relationship between planetary dynamics and terrestrial sciences but
that era is slowly passing away and a new era is dawning. Given the Holy
Day that is in it, there is that strange darkness at the South Pole that
signals a wonderful period ahead -

https://www.usap.gov/videoclipsandmaps/spwebcam.cfm






Look at your own link. It's described as a waxing crescent moon. Nobody
would look at this and say it was almost a half moon.
Scientifically the image was of no significance. But it was a public
relations triumph (like the Apollo 8 mission itself). I had a poster of
this on the wall above the fireplace of my flat for years.


In the dreary empirical world all imaging has no significance but it is not so with genuine astronomy and astronomers and there is a paradise of imaging out there presently.

The orbiting spacecraft covers lunar terrain not seen from Earth and visa versa hence 'earthrise' is a property of the orbiting spacecraft and not the moon which doesn't rotate. All the insightful nuggets of information such as the Earth appears fully illuminated as seen from the moon while the moon appears completely dark as the side that always faces us turns away from the Sun while a few weeks later the opposite is the case. Of course this is an Earth centered perspective.The Sun centered perspective is different in the matter of planetary dynamics in that the Earth turns in two distinct ways to the central Sun hence the observed changes in the relationship between the polar points and the circle of illumination over time.

Like musical composition it is delightful to play around with imaging and create an narrative that others may enjoy. The dull and the sour don't allow their spiritual side to break through their pretenses, intellectual or otherwise, and miss out on this adventurous endeavor.


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Old April 15th 17, 03:20 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 11:10:37 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 2:20:27 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:38:32 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=dE-vOscpiNc

What a wonderful story and the event where the Earth comes into view seen
from an orbiting spacecraft.

Of course the image is diminished by present company who insist on a
dynamical absurdity as people looking out at the moon that day would have
seen the half phase of the moon or thereabouts.

When people feel at home with imaging and using it for interpretation
then they can consider themselves to be among astronomers.


Wrong!
There was a waxing moon with 29% illumination. It's easy to see this since
you merely have to look at the Earth. The moon from Earth will have the
opposite phase the the Earth from the moon.
Your inability to visualise this is the reason you get things so wrong.

Suit yourself, thereabouts at the time of the images means less than two
days from half phase -

https://www.calendar-12.com/moon_calendar/1968/december

The original image ,outside the spectacular first observation that it
was, should have generated so much additional material for working as
with it subsequent orbit of the spacecraft and 'earthrise' the change in
the circle of illumination could be noted along with the changing
relationship between the Earth's polar points and the circle of illumination.

The classrooms of schools and colleges became the intellectual killing
fields and extermination camps for astronomical interpretation and the
relationship between planetary dynamics and terrestrial sciences but
that era is slowly passing away and a new era is dawning. Given the Holy
Day that is in it, there is that strange darkness at the South Pole that
signals a wonderful period ahead -

https://www.usap.gov/videoclipsandmaps/spwebcam.cfm






Look at your own link. It's described as a waxing crescent moon. Nobody
would look at this and say it was almost a half moon.
Scientifically the image was of no significance. But it was a public
relations triumph (like the Apollo 8 mission itself). I had a poster of
this on the wall above the fireplace of my flat for years.


In the dreary empirical world all imaging has no significance but it is
not so with genuine astronomy and astronomers and there is a paradise of
imaging out there presently.

The orbiting spacecraft covers lunar terrain not seen from Earth and visa
versa hence 'earthrise' is a property of the orbiting spacecraft and not
the moon which doesn't rotate. All the insightful nuggets of information
such as the Earth appears fully illuminated as seen from the moon while
the moon appears completely dark as the side that always faces us turns
away from the Sun while a few weeks later the opposite is the case. Of
course this is an Earth centered perspective.


Your problems with understanding astronomy are demonstrated by the
preceding paragraph.

To anyone else these "insights" of yours which require photographs are
blindingly obvious. You assume everyone else sees things in the same way as
you. They don't. Most people can process images and imagine images much
better than you can. Many years ago I was part of a class which was gives a
simple test of image processing. Three out of the thirty students had
difficulty with visual imagination. I worked with one of these and he had
much more difficulty in the part of his work which involved microscopy than
his colleagues. But eventually he managed. If you really tried you could
eventually learn to process images mentally in a way which could stop you
making these mistakes.
As another example you once posted an image of Jupiter with Galilean moons
at 50% phase and claimed it was a Hubble image. I took a day or two for you
to work out that an Earth orbiting satellite could never see that phase in
Jupiter or its moons.

What's obvious to others is opaque to you and you have to think for a long
time before you realise this.




The Sun centered perspective is different in the matter of planetary
dynamics in that the Earth turns in two distinct ways to the central Sun
hence the observed changes in the relationship between the polar points
and the circle of illumination over time.

Like musical composition it is delightful to play around with imaging and
create an narrative that others may enjoy. The dull and the sour don't
allow their spiritual side to break through their pretenses, intellectual
or otherwise, and miss out on this adventurous endeavor.





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Old April 15th 17, 03:38 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 3:23:33 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 11:10:37 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 2:20:27 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:38:32 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=dE-vOscpiNc

What a wonderful story and the event where the Earth comes into view seen
from an orbiting spacecraft.

Of course the image is diminished by present company who insist on a
dynamical absurdity as people looking out at the moon that day would have
seen the half phase of the moon or thereabouts.

When people feel at home with imaging and using it for interpretation
then they can consider themselves to be among astronomers.


Wrong!
There was a waxing moon with 29% illumination. It's easy to see this since
you merely have to look at the Earth. The moon from Earth will have the
opposite phase the the Earth from the moon.
Your inability to visualise this is the reason you get things so wrong.

Suit yourself, thereabouts at the time of the images means less than two
days from half phase -

https://www.calendar-12.com/moon_calendar/1968/december

The original image ,outside the spectacular first observation that it
was, should have generated so much additional material for working as
with it subsequent orbit of the spacecraft and 'earthrise' the change in
the circle of illumination could be noted along with the changing
relationship between the Earth's polar points and the circle of illumination.

The classrooms of schools and colleges became the intellectual killing
fields and extermination camps for astronomical interpretation and the
relationship between planetary dynamics and terrestrial sciences but
that era is slowly passing away and a new era is dawning. Given the Holy
Day that is in it, there is that strange darkness at the South Pole that
signals a wonderful period ahead -

https://www.usap.gov/videoclipsandmaps/spwebcam.cfm






Look at your own link. It's described as a waxing crescent moon. Nobody
would look at this and say it was almost a half moon.
Scientifically the image was of no significance. But it was a public
relations triumph (like the Apollo 8 mission itself). I had a poster of
this on the wall above the fireplace of my flat for years.


In the dreary empirical world all imaging has no significance but it is
not so with genuine astronomy and astronomers and there is a paradise of
imaging out there presently.

The orbiting spacecraft covers lunar terrain not seen from Earth and visa
versa hence 'earthrise' is a property of the orbiting spacecraft and not
the moon which doesn't rotate. All the insightful nuggets of information
such as the Earth appears fully illuminated as seen from the moon while
the moon appears completely dark as the side that always faces us turns
away from the Sun while a few weeks later the opposite is the case. Of
course this is an Earth centered perspective.


Your problems with understanding astronomy are demonstrated by the
preceding paragraph.

To anyone else these "insights" of yours which require photographs are
blindingly obvious.


So now you do understand the dual surface rotations of the Earth to the central Sun which account separately from the daily day/night cycle as distinct from the polar day/night cycle.

The wonderful story of an orbiting spacecraft bringing the Earth into view or 'Earthrise' demonstrates the difference between an orbiting moon and an orbiting Earth.

Know your place Collins and that means the next time you even wish to converse on astronomical perspectives then bring images with you.


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Old April 16th 17, 09:46 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 3:23:33 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 11:10:37 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 2:20:27 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:
On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:38:32 PM UTC+1, palsing wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=dE-vOscpiNc

What a wonderful story and the event where the Earth comes into view seen
from an orbiting spacecraft.

Of course the image is diminished by present company who insist on a
dynamical absurdity as people looking out at the moon that day would have
seen the half phase of the moon or thereabouts.

When people feel at home with imaging and using it for interpretation
then they can consider themselves to be among astronomers.


Wrong!
There was a waxing moon with 29% illumination. It's easy to see this since
you merely have to look at the Earth. The moon from Earth will have the
opposite phase the the Earth from the moon.
Your inability to visualise this is the reason you get things so wrong.

Suit yourself, thereabouts at the time of the images means less than two
days from half phase -

https://www.calendar-12.com/moon_calendar/1968/december

The original image ,outside the spectacular first observation that it
was, should have generated so much additional material for working as
with it subsequent orbit of the spacecraft and 'earthrise' the change in
the circle of illumination could be noted along with the changing
relationship between the Earth's polar points and the circle of illumination.

The classrooms of schools and colleges became the intellectual killing
fields and extermination camps for astronomical interpretation and the
relationship between planetary dynamics and terrestrial sciences but
that era is slowly passing away and a new era is dawning. Given the Holy
Day that is in it, there is that strange darkness at the South Pole that
signals a wonderful period ahead -

https://www.usap.gov/videoclipsandmaps/spwebcam.cfm






Look at your own link. It's described as a waxing crescent moon. Nobody
would look at this and say it was almost a half moon.
Scientifically the image was of no significance. But it was a public
relations triumph (like the Apollo 8 mission itself). I had a poster of
this on the wall above the fireplace of my flat for years.

In the dreary empirical world all imaging has no significance but it is
not so with genuine astronomy and astronomers and there is a paradise of
imaging out there presently.

The orbiting spacecraft covers lunar terrain not seen from Earth and visa
versa hence 'earthrise' is a property of the orbiting spacecraft and not
the moon which doesn't rotate. All the insightful nuggets of information
such as the Earth appears fully illuminated as seen from the moon while
the moon appears completely dark as the side that always faces us turns
away from the Sun while a few weeks later the opposite is the case. Of
course this is an Earth centered perspective.


Your problems with understanding astronomy are demonstrated by the
preceding paragraph.

To anyone else these "insights" of yours which require photographs are
blindingly obvious.


So now you do understand the dual surface rotations of the Earth to the
central Sun which account separately from the daily day/night cycle as
distinct from the polar day/night cycle.

The wonderful story of an orbiting spacecraft bringing the Earth into
view or 'Earthrise' demonstrates the difference between an orbiting moon
and an orbiting Earth.

Know your place Collins and that means the next time you even wish to
converse on astronomical perspectives then bring images with you.




Unlike you I understand the two main motions causing this effect. The
rotation of the Earth about it's axis relative to the background universe
and the independent orbit of the Earth around the Sun.


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Old April 16th 17, 10:34 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 9:49:46 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
Gerald Kelleher wrote:



So now you do understand the dual surface rotations of the Earth to the
central Sun which account separately from the daily day/night cycle as
distinct from the polar day/night cycle.

The wonderful story of an orbiting spacecraft bringing the Earth into
view or 'Earthrise' demonstrates the difference between an orbiting moon
and an orbiting Earth.

Know your place Collins and that means the next time you even wish to
converse on astronomical perspectives then bring images with you.




Unlike you I understand the two main motions causing this effect. The
rotation of the Earth about it's axis relative to the background universe
and the independent orbit of the Earth around the Sun.


The two main rotations is what you want to say - you can actually see them and what did I tell you about showing up in my threads without imaging.

How many have already learned the lesson that when daily rotation is subtracted, the entire surface of the Earth turns once to the central Sun as a function of its orbital motion and will turn unevenly in response to the variable orbital speed of the Earth. It also turns parallel to the orbital plane and best appreciated as Antarctica turns across the fully illuminated face of the Earth in two distinct ways -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFrP6QfbC2g&t=14s

It comes as natural as breathing.

All planets have dual surface rotations





 




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