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JFK's greatest achievements/Apollo (Was: Deep Apologies toeveryone....)
On Jan 29, 2:01*pm, OM wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:16:31 +0000, Dr J R Stockton wrote: Don't quote sigs. *Evidently you are one on whom subtlety is wasted. ...He's a known troll. Everyone here who has a clue has killfiled him already, Doc. We advise you to do the same. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *OM -- * ]=====================================[ * ] * OMBlog -http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld* [ * ] * * * *Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* * * * * [ * ] * * * * *an obnoxious opinion in your day! * * * * * [ * ]=====================================[ I suggest you refrain from your volunteer smearing of me on the sci.military.naval group. I don't care what you say to your little clique on sci.space.history as they are an intrusion on a smn thread, but please do not make statements you cannot back up on smn. |
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JFK's greatest achievements/Apollo (Was: Deep Apologies to everyone....)
William Black wrote: "Your infidel tricks cannot fool us you evil Yankee dogs, we know you are spying for the Zionist entity, you will be boarded or we will open fire..." You may make this story conclude in any way you wish, but a sudden submerging of the fishing trawler is likely to raise some suspicion... Trawler: "We will have nothing to do with with your filthy Persian ways! I am a Sunni, and will sink this ship before I see my catch fall into the hands of Shiites!" (Panic party jumps overboard as trawler submerges). ;-) The emergence of a load of guys in the full black gear and a series of loud banging noises isn't going to do a lot of good for anyone either... I'm willing to bet that some of the fishing boats out in the Persian Gulf at the moment aren't real fishing boats, but rather intelligence-gathering platforms operated by countries in the region, like the Russians used to use against us. Pat |
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JFK's greatest achievements/Apollo (Was: Deep Apologies toeveryone....)
On Jan 29, 4:55*pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
William Black wrote: "Your infidel tricks cannot fool us you evil Yankee dogs, *we know you are spying for the Zionist entity, *you will be boarded or we will open fire..." You may make this story conclude in any way you wish, *but a sudden submerging of the fishing trawler is likely to raise some suspicion... Trawler: "We will have nothing to do with with your filthy Persian ways! I am a Sunni, and will sink this ship before I see my *catch fall into the hands of Shiites!" (Panic party jumps overboard as trawler submerges). ;-) The emergence of a load of guys in the full black gear and a series of loud banging noises isn't going to do a lot of good for anyone either.... I'm willing to bet that some of the fishing boats out in the Persian Gulf at the moment aren't real fishing boats, but rather intelligence-gathering platforms operated by countries in the region, like the Russians used to use against us. Pat Remember the Banner, and oh, yes, the Pueblo |
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JFK's greatest achievements/Apollo (Was: Deep Apologies to everyone....)
Derek Lyons wrote: It could have something to do with that, but remember Poseidon could carry up to _14_ nuclear warheads. They were pretty small though, both physically and in yield - only 50k. That's still over twice the yield of the ones we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, so "pretty small" takes on a new meaning when you are discussing nuclear weapons. ;-) You can work out what various yield weapons would do from this interactive website by the FAS: http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nuke...effctcalc.html Pat |
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JFK's greatest achievements/Apollo (Was: Deep Apologies toeveryone....)
On Jan 29, 4:11*pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
Derek Lyons wrote: It could have something to do with that, but remember Poseidon could carry up to _14_ nuclear warheads. They were pretty small though, both physically and in yield - only 50k. That's still over twice the yield of the ones we dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, so "pretty small" takes on a new meaning when you are discussing nuclear weapons. ;-) You can work out what various yield weapons would do from this interactive website by the FAS:http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nuke...effctcalc.html Pat Still most operational stuff was 100 - 300 kt depending on the target, way smaller than what we were building and carrying in the 50s, but enough to ruin your day. Start carrying a dozen or so per aircraft and you've got the beginnings of a humdinger of a glass factory somewhere. |
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JFK's greatest achievements/Apollo (Was: Deep Apologies to everyone....)
Pat Flannery wrote:
Considering that one of the key aspects of Zen Buddhist mysticism is being able to control your own heartbeat rate right down to the point of stopping and restarting it, that might make sense - by moving the whole body down into a semi-hibernetic state by decreasing overall blood flow and blood pressure to the extremities via a slow heartbeat rate. Yes! I've read that some Hinud yogins can stop their hearts. I saw a video called "Biofeedback: Yoga of the West," which had, among much else, a yogin who visited the Menninger Clinic. He said he could stop his heart. He said that since he hadn't been fasting, it would be dangerous to do it all the way, but he would do it briefly. So he did it while connected to an EKG. They saw a blip in his heartbeat. A heart doctor looked at it and said his heart *had* stopped briefly. I've also seen videos of Buddhist monks who can wrap themselves in a wet sheet and dry it with their body heat. You see the vapor in the room; they see who can do it fastest. I myself learned to warm my own extremities - my hands and sometimes my feet - to help with severe chronic daily headaches. It took me several months, and I had a kind of hand thermometer as a guide; of course, I had all the motivation in the world! The magic number I remember is to get to 96 deg F in the hands in 5 minutes. I could do it fairly consistently. However, I never tried the reverse - to draw blood from the extremities. I'm sure you could do it, and have some idea how. Dennis |
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JFK's greatest achievements/Apollo (Was: Deep Apologies to everyone....)
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, Jack Linthicum wrote: On Jan 28, 1:34*pm, "William Black" wrote: "Dr J R Stockton" wrote in erlyn.invalid... In sci.space.history message , Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:38:40, Derek Lyons posted: D. As a self-confessed submarine expert, you might like to know that some South Africans are expecting their science satellite SumbandilaSat to be launched on 25 March from a submarine at Baikonur. http://www.buanews.gov.za/news/09/09012312451005 Do they... Erm... Have a handy lake to float the thing in? Maybe someone's got a nice big swimming pool... -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, *like icecream on the beach Time for tea. Ask Alan he's been there. http://www.russianspaceweb.com/baikonur.html In fact, Baikonur (there are now two Baikonurs, the original one whose name was used as a bit of maskirovka, and "Baikonur City" which has grown up on the edge of the Tyuratam site) does have a rather pleasant lake. Not many pleasant places in Khazakstan. But I doubt if you could get a submarine into it. Loch Ness might be a better idea. Hmmmm. -- "The past resembles the future as water resembles water" -- Ibn Khaldun If you wish to email me, try putting a dot between alan and lothian. Blueyonder is a thing of the past. |
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JFK's greatest achievements/Apollo (Was: Deep Apologies to everyone....)
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:59:21 -0800, in a place far, far away, Dave
Michelson made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: The real question: How much of the anti-Apollo-Saturn feeling within the Nixon administration was due to Nixon and his dislike for Kennedy and how much was just Republican ideology (space = military + LEO) that would continue into the Reagan years? This is a false choice, akin to "have you stopped beating your wife, or are you still doing it?" This kind of sniveling cowardly tactic should be beneath you. That's a bit harsh. I was suggesting that while the cuts took place under the Nixon Administraton, others within the Administration and the Republican party may have been pushing harder than Nixon himself to rein in NASA's ambitions. You have still failed to make the case that "Republican ideology" is "space = military + LEO." By far the biggest opponents of NASA and manned spaceflight over the years, and particularly over those years, have been Democrats (e.g., Proxmire and Mondale). |
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JFK's greatest achievements/Apollo (Was: Deep Apologies toeveryone....)
On Jan 30, 8:18*am, (Rand Simberg)
wrote: On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:59:21 -0800, in a place far, far away, Dave Michelson made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: The real question: How much of the anti-Apollo-Saturn feeling within the Nixon administration was due to Nixon and his dislike for Kennedy and how much was just Republican ideology (space = military + LEO) that would continue into the Reagan years? This is a false choice, akin to "have you stopped beating your wife, or are you still doing it?" This kind of sniveling cowardly tactic should be beneath you. That's a bit harsh. I was suggesting that while the cuts took place under the Nixon Administraton, others within the Administration and the Republican party may have been pushing harder than Nixon himself to rein in NASA's ambitions. You have still failed to make the case that "Republican ideology" is "space = military + LEO." By far the biggest opponents of NASA and manned spaceflight over the years, and particularly over those years, have been Democrats (e.g., Proxmire and Mondale). Proxmire was against everything. |
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JFK's greatest achievements/Apollo (Was: Deep Apologies to everyone....)
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:45:17 -0800 (PST), in a place far, far away,
Jack Linthicum made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: By far the biggest opponents of NASA and manned spaceflight over the years, and particularly over those years, have been Democrats (e.g., Proxmire and Mondale). Proxmire was against everything. No, he was all for dairy subsidies. |
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