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Old June 17th 04, 04:22 AM
Keith F. Lynch
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Henry Spencer wrote:
One might as well wonder why Americans persist in celebrating on
the 4th of July, when the US realistically more-or-less completed
becoming a nation on, um, well, perhaps Oct. 18th, or June 21st,
or July 26th, or March 4th, or May 29th, or even Dec. 24th.


Because that's when the US officially declared independence from
Britain.

The ratification of the Constitution is irrelevant, as it's not the
document which established or named the United States. Neither is it
relevant when other countries recognized the US, or stopped fighting
against it.
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Old June 17th 04, 06:25 PM
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In article ,
Keith F. Lynch wrote:
Because that's when the US officially declared independence from
Britain.


Precisely my point: that's when things formally got started, insofar as
one can identify one single date for that. And July 1st, *not* Dec. 11th,
is the analogous date for Canada.

The ratification of the Constitution is irrelevant, as it's not the
document which established or named the United States.


There is actually room to argue about that. The US was "established" only
in the loosest possible sense before the ratification of the Constitution.
It resembled a single nation about as much as the CIS resembles one today.
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Old June 18th 04, 12:33 AM
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Henry Spencer wrote:

There is actually room to argue about that. The US was "established" only
in the loosest possible sense before the ratification of the Constitution.
It resembled a single nation about as much as the CIS resembles one today.


Agreed. It's telling that before the Civil War, it was convention to refer to
the United States in the plural. Only after the war did Americans begin to
use the United States as a singular noun.

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Old June 18th 04, 02:26 AM
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James Nicoll wrote:

It's an excuse to Blow Stuff Up and you can never have too many of
those.


The British do that on November 5, but I don't think they get a
holiday for the occasion.

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Old June 18th 04, 09:19 PM
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Odysseus wrote:
James Nicoll wrote:

It's an excuse to Blow Stuff Up and you can never have too many of
those.


The British do that on November 5, but I don't think they get a
holiday for the occasion.


We don't. We get a feeble number of bank holidays (as national
holidays are called here) every year, 8 or 9 IIRC. The rest of Europe
have a dozen or more.


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Old June 19th 04, 05:33 AM
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Tim Auton wrote:

Odysseus wrote:
James Nicoll wrote:

It's an excuse to Blow Stuff Up and you can never have too many of
those.


The British do that on November 5, but I don't think they get a
holiday for the occasion.


We don't. We get a feeble number of bank holidays (as national
holidays are called here) every year, 8 or 9 IIRC. The rest of Europe
have a dozen or more.

Here in Canada it varies a bit from province to province, but
employees only have a right to about eight or nine "statutory
holidays"; union contracts sometimes include a few more. I believe
the highest minimum vacation entitlement is three weeks per year --
again, much less than in Europe -- and is obtained after five years
of service.

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Old June 19th 04, 04:45 PM
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Tim Auton wrote:

We don't. We get a feeble number of bank holidays (as national
holidays are called here) every year, 8 or 9 IIRC. The rest of Europe
have a dozen or more.


What would one do if one ran out of cheese on a bank holiday?
....the Moon is supposed to be _made_ of cheese, you know.... :-)

Wallace

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Old July 10th 04, 05:28 PM
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Herb Schaltegger wrote:

"-- Herb Schaltegger, B.S., J.D. "Never underestimate the power of human
stupidity." ~ Robert A. Heinlein http://www.angryherb.net"

Just noticed the website in your sig. Is it new or have I been blind?

I hope you'll find time to put up stuff on manned spaceflight life
support systems.

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Old July 10th 04, 07:20 PM
Herb Schaltegger
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In article ,
Hop David wrote:

Herb Schaltegger wrote:

"-- Herb Schaltegger, B.S., J.D. "Never underestimate the power of human
stupidity." ~ Robert A. Heinlein http://www.angryherb.net"

Just noticed the website in your sig. Is it new or have I been blind?

I hope you'll find time to put up stuff on manned spaceflight life
support systems.


The domain's been around for about a year. Not much on it yet; putting
some of my old info online has been one of the things I plan on getting
around to Real Soon Now(tm). Too many interests and obligations, not
enough time . . .

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Old July 11th 04, 04:53 PM
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["Followup-To:" header set to sci.space.policy.]
On 2004-07-11, Christopher M. Jones wrote:

Umm, no. Read the book before passing judgment. Neither the American
Revolutionary War nor the American Civil War were much about "freedom"
versus "tyranny" in the modern senses of these words.


I reckon I ought to. But it occurs to me that in 1789
the Bill of Rights was the law of the land in the USA,
while at the same time Britain still had a monarch with
substantial governmental authority.


Yeah, but the Bill of Rights was the law of the land in the American
colonies in, y'know, 1769 as well. In 1789 the Bill of Rights was the
law of the land in the UK, and had been for a good hundred years.
(Well, it had only been law in the UK for 82 years, for obvious
reasons, but it was older...)

You may wish to clarify which Bill of Rights you refer to when drawing
that distinction, since both were documents strongly contesting the
power of the executive and protecting the rights of the individual...
;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Bill_of_Rights

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