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Old July 21st 09, 12:03 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.astro,alt.politics,alt.society.zeitgeist
giveitawhirl2008
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Are you old enough to have watched the first Moon landing, live? (BTW
- Neil Armstrong apparently did NOT blow his lines. He said "One small
step for a man, One giant leap for Mankind." The "a" in "for a man"
did not come through due to the relatively poor quality of interworld
communications in 1969.)

Would you like to see humans walk again on the moon? Would you like to
see humans walk on Mars?

Would you like to see people walk on the large array of awesome worlds
that await us in the OUTER SOLAR SYSTEM? That is, on the stunningly
beautiful and bizarre moons of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune?

Would you like to accelerate YOUR chances of being able to exoplore
these worlds, one day?

If so, here's a plan:

Congress will act on such things only if it is in the popular will to
do so. If enough people get together to show their support for HUMAN
DEEP SPACE EXPLORATION, then the President and Congress can be
motivated to provide the necessary funding.

Once the cost of blazing the trail to the outer solar system has been
blazed by government (NASA), acceleration of plans by private industry
to follow on is likely to occur.

Besides, not only later, but earlier on - with the nearer term Moon
and Mars missions - even the American space agency COULD do something
similar to what the Russiana are already doing! We COULD sell a seat
or two on some or all flights to the Moon and Mars! Not enough to pay
for the whole flight, but if it's enough to defray the total cost to
the tax payer SOME (by, let's say, upwards of a few hundred million
dollars or more), then NASA may consider it! (Note, James Cameron, the
movie producer, asked NASA about its willingness to let him fly on the
Shuttle, NASA said, "Wait." Cameron would probably be still waiting of
the Shuttle program had not been cut short.)

Then, not to put in a plug for gambling but just to note a
possibility: there's always the concept of having a spaceflight as a
Lotto prize. Volvo did this with the Spaceship One-type flight that it
intends to send passengers on, to float momentarily in space.

Ultimately, commercial space tourism to Worlds of Jupiter, the Worlds
of Saturn, including the mystery world Titan, and beyond could be
spurred once NASA has set the example and developed some new
technology, etc.

YOU could HELP this all to happen! Interested in getting together an
organization to promote this further to the public (no money nor
donations involved - it will be a "labor of love" - and internet!) ?
Post here or drop me a line!

Here is some further explanation about getting the government to fund
the technology:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.s...ca31c?hl=en&q=
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Old July 21st 09, 12:10 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.astro,alt.politics,alt.society.zeitgeist
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"giveitawhirl2008" wrote in message
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Are you old enough to have watched the first Moon landing, live? (BTW
- Neil Armstrong apparently did NOT blow his lines. He said "One small
step for a man, One giant leap for Mankind." The "a" in "for a man"
did not come through due to the relatively poor quality of interworld
communications in 1969.)


Yes I am and yes he did blow his lines. The 'a' was omitted.




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Old July 21st 09, 12:26 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.astro,alt.politics,alt.society.zeitgeist
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On Jul 20, 7:10*pm, "Androcles" wrote:
"giveitawhirl2008" wrote in message

...

Are you old enough to have watched the first Moon landing, live? (BTW
- Neil Armstrong apparently did NOT blow his lines. He said "One small
step for a man, One giant leap for Mankind." The "a" in "for a man"
did not come through due to the relatively poor quality of interworld
communications in 1969.)


Yes I am and yes he did blow his lines. The 'a' was omitted.


Neil insists he said the "a" and that it did not come through on the
transmission. Unless, since I last heard, they beat him into
submission and he signed a confession that he did NOT say it. (You
know, like they beat Buzz Aldrin into submission, made him get in
line, and pretend that the Moon landings really occurred? [:-)])
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Old July 21st 09, 12:49 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.astro,alt.politics,alt.society.zeitgeist
Benito Cramerrini
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On Jul 21, 9:26*am, giveitawhirl2008
wrote:
On Jul 20, 7:10*pm, "Androcles" wrote:

"giveitawhirl2008" wrote in message


....


Are you old enough to have watched the first Moon landing, live? (BTW
- Neil Armstrong apparently did NOT blow his lines. He said "One small
step for a man, One giant leap for Mankind." The "a" in "for a man"
did not come through due to the relatively poor quality of interworld
communications in 1969.)


Yes I am and yes he did blow his lines. The 'a' was omitted.


Neil insists he said the "a" and that it did not come through on the
transmission. Unless, since I last heard, they beat him into
submission and he signed a confession that he did NOT say it. (You
know, like they beat Buzz Aldrin into submission, made him get in
line, and pretend that the Moon landings really occurred? [:-)])


from what i could hear he sounded like he was struggling not to
explode into uncontrolable laughter. it is possible that as he was
holding his breath he produced a silent "a" without realizing it.
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Old July 21st 09, 01:12 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.astro,alt.politics,alt.society.zeitgeist
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"giveitawhirl2008" wrote in message
...
On Jul 20, 7:10 pm, "Androcles" wrote:
"giveitawhirl2008" wrote in message

...

Are you old enough to have watched the first Moon landing, live? (BTW
- Neil Armstrong apparently did NOT blow his lines. He said "One small
step for a man, One giant leap for Mankind." The "a" in "for a man"
did not come through due to the relatively poor quality of interworld
communications in 1969.)


Yes I am and yes he did blow his lines. The 'a' was omitted.


Neil insists he said the "a" and that it did not come through on the
transmission. Unless, since I last heard, they beat him into
submission and he signed a confession that he did NOT say it. (You
know, like they beat Buzz Aldrin into submission, made him get in
line, and pretend that the Moon landings really occurred? [:-)])

================================================
Doesn't matter, I remember what he said without any hesitation.
As for you, **** off, you are a moron.

*plonk*

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Old July 21st 09, 01:28 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.astro,alt.politics,alt.society.zeitgeist
Jonathan
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"giveitawhirl2008" wrote in message
...
Are you old enough to have watched the first Moon landing, live? (BTW
- Neil Armstrong apparently did NOT blow his lines. He said "One small
step for a man, One giant leap for Mankind." The "a" in "for a man"
did not come through due to the relatively poor quality of interworld
communications in 1969.)


Nah, his pause shortly after the missing word shows a consciousness of
guilt. He botched the line, plain and simple. Listen to it again, the pause
shows he knows he botched it. And the line would normally read
without any pause betwen 'for' and 'a'. So the excuse that a pause
caused the voice activated communication system doesn't ring true.




Would you like to see humans walk again on the moon? Would you like to
see humans walk on Mars?

Would you like to see people walk on the large array of awesome worlds
that await us in the OUTER SOLAR SYSTEM? That is, on the stunningly
beautiful and bizarre moons of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune?

Would you like to accelerate YOUR chances of being able to exoplore
these worlds, one day?



I'd rather see NASA help produce a replacement for fossil fuels and solve
the climate change problem. Making America the next energy Saudi Arabia.
Creating a future for America where we go from the largest energy user
to the largest world supplier. Turning America's greatest single weakness
into it's greatest future strength. Ending wars over oil, ending Middle East
dominance and building an energy source that could benefit the third
world in ways we can only imagine.

Ask yourself, if you're a fan of all things Star Trek/Sci-fi etc.
What is it that made the Utopian dreams of Star Trek go?
Prosperity and justice for all? It was that magical energy
source they called di-lithium crystals. Endless clean energy
made...ANYTHING...possible. Travel, equal justice and
security.

This is the NASA goal that was being started....before Bush
killed it for the Moon and Mars. And if you're into conspiracy
theories, when I first came to this ng and found out about this
program I started ranting loudly about it in favor. Just three
weeks after I started going on about it, NASA dropped their
space solar power webpage which had been up for many
years. 'They' don't want to talk about it.

Laying the Foundation for Space Solar Power
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309075971


I do.





If so, here's a plan:

Congress will act on such things only if it is in the popular will to
do so. If enough people get together to show their support for HUMAN
DEEP SPACE EXPLORATION, then the President and Congress can be
motivated to provide the necessary funding.

Once the cost of blazing the trail to the outer solar system has been
blazed by government (NASA), acceleration of plans by private industry
to follow on is likely to occur.

Besides, not only later, but earlier on - with the nearer term Moon
and Mars missions - even the American space agency COULD do something
similar to what the Russiana are already doing! We COULD sell a seat
or two on some or all flights to the Moon and Mars! Not enough to pay
for the whole flight, but if it's enough to defray the total cost to
the tax payer SOME (by, let's say, upwards of a few hundred million
dollars or more), then NASA may consider it! (Note, James Cameron, the
movie producer, asked NASA about its willingness to let him fly on the
Shuttle, NASA said, "Wait." Cameron would probably be still waiting of
the Shuttle program had not been cut short.)

Then, not to put in a plug for gambling but just to note a
possibility: there's always the concept of having a spaceflight as a
Lotto prize. Volvo did this with the Spaceship One-type flight that it
intends to send passengers on, to float momentarily in space.

Ultimately, commercial space tourism to Worlds of Jupiter, the Worlds
of Saturn, including the mystery world Titan, and beyond could be
spurred once NASA has set the example and developed some new
technology, etc.

YOU could HELP this all to happen! Interested in getting together an
organization to promote this further to the public (no money nor
donations involved - it will be a "labor of love" - and internet!) ?
Post here or drop me a line!

Here is some further explanation about getting the government to fund
the technology:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.s...ca31c?hl=en&q=



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Old July 21st 09, 01:49 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.astro,alt.politics,alt.society.zeitgeist
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jonathan wrote:
"giveitawhirl2008" wrote in message
...
Are you old enough to have watched the first Moon landing, live? (BTW
- Neil Armstrong apparently did NOT blow his lines. He said "One small
step for a man, One giant leap for Mankind." The "a" in "for a man"
did not come through due to the relatively poor quality of interworld
communications in 1969.)


Nah, his pause shortly after the missing word shows a consciousness of
guilt. He botched the line, plain and simple. Listen to it again, the pause
shows he knows he botched it. And the line would normally read
without any pause betwen 'for' and 'a'. So the excuse that a pause
caused the voice activated communication system doesn't ring true.


I prefer to look at it in the broader perspective.

It was indeed one small step for humans, but it was a huge step for
'mankind', which includes all of the lifeforms which participated in our
creation, and which we utterly depend upon for our continued survival.

The fact that we are now trying our best to destroy all other lifeforms
besides ourselves, no matter how high or low, and thus ourselves, makes
his actually philosophically correct statement all the more piquant.
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Old July 21st 09, 05:57 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.astro,alt.politics,alt.society.zeitgeist
Androcles[_8_]
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"kT" wrote in message
...
jonathan wrote:
"giveitawhirl2008" wrote in message
...
Are you old enough to have watched the first Moon landing, live? (BTW
- Neil Armstrong apparently did NOT blow his lines. He said "One small
step for a man, One giant leap for Mankind." The "a" in "for a man"
did not come through due to the relatively poor quality of interworld
communications in 1969.)


Nah, his pause shortly after the missing word shows a consciousness of
guilt. He botched the line, plain and simple. Listen to it again, the
pause
shows he knows he botched it. And the line would normally read
without any pause betwen 'for' and 'a'. So the excuse that a pause
caused the voice activated communication system doesn't ring true.


I prefer to look at it in the broader perspective.

It was indeed one small step for humans, but it was a huge step for
'mankind', which includes all of the lifeforms which participated in our
creation, and which we utterly depend upon for our continued survival.

The fact that we are now trying our best to destroy all other lifeforms
besides ourselves, no matter how high or low, and thus ourselves, makes
his actually philosophically correct statement all the more piquant.


I'd prefer to think you were an intelligent observer, but actually
you are ****ing idiot who thinks his preferences can change what
someone actually said, dumb****!

*plonk*

Do not reply to this generic message, it was automatically generated;
you have been kill-filed, either for being boringly stupid, repetitive,
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or permutation of the aforementioned reasons; any reply will go unread.

Boringly stupid is the most common cause of kill-filing, but because
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left to decide which is most applicable to you.

There is no appeal, I have despotic power over whom I will electronically
admit into my home and you do not qualify as a reasonable person I would
wish to converse with or even poke fun at. Some weirdoes are not kill-
filed, they amuse me and I retain them for their entertainment value
as I would any chicken with two heads, either one of which enables the
dumb bird to scratch dirt, step back, look down, step forward to the
same spot and repeat the process eternally.

This should not trouble you, many of those plonked find it a blessing
that they are not required to think and can persist in their bigotry
or crackpot theories without challenge.

You have the right to free speech, I have the right not to listen. The
kill-file will be cleared annually with spring cleaning or whenever I
purchase a new computer or hard drive.

I hope you find this explanation is satisfactory but even if you don't,
damnly my frank, I don't give a dear. Have a nice day.









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Old July 21st 09, 09:24 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.astro,alt.politics,alt.society.zeitgeist
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"jonathan" wrote in message
...

"giveitawhirl2008" wrote in message
...


[snippage]



I'd rather see NASA help produce a replacement for fossil fuels and solve
the climate change problem. Making America the next energy Saudi Arabia.
Creating a future for America where we go from the largest energy user
to the largest world supplier. Turning America's greatest single weakness
into it's greatest future strength. Ending wars over oil, ending Middle
East
dominance and building an energy source that could benefit the third
world in ways we can only imagine.


These are not NASA's job. These activities and goals come under the
Department of Energy. Whatever happens, you will never get rid of the need
for fossil fuels (or at least hydrocarbon fuels) because nothing else works
as well for commercial and military aviation. Electric cars,
maybe--electric planes, I doubt it.

NOAA is "in charge" of climate change science.

Do get your Government agencies right.


Ask yourself, if you're a fan of all things Star Trek/Sci-fi etc.
What is it that made the Utopian dreams of Star Trek go?
Prosperity and justice for all? It was that magical energy
source they called di-lithium crystals. Endless clean energy
made...ANYTHING...possible. Travel, equal justice and
security.


Ah, I see--solve all our problems by assuming that science fictional
doubletalk stuff is a step away from reality if only we work hard enough.
And solar power satellites will give us Truth, Justice, and the American
Way?


This is the NASA goal that was being started....before Bush
killed it for the Moon and Mars. And if you're into conspiracy
theories, when I first came to this ng and found out about this
program I started ranting loudly about it in favor. Just three
weeks after I started going on about it, NASA dropped their
space solar power webpage which had been up for many
years. 'They' don't want to talk about it.


Probably because it is far cheaper (though far from cheap at this time) and
more practical to capture, store, and distribute solar power on the ground.


Laying the Foundation for Space Solar Power
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309075971


I do.





[snippage]

--
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)

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Old July 21st 09, 05:53 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.astro,alt.politics,alt.society.zeitgeist
Eric Chomko[_2_]
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On Jul 21, 4:24*am, "Mike Dworetsky"
wrote:
[...]

NOAA is "in charge" of climate change science.

Do get your Government agencies right.


The DOD (Navy and Air Force), NASA and NOAA all deal with weather,
oceans, and earth science in general, which deals with climate change.
Clearly the DOD is not dealing with science per se, but both NOAA and
NASA have earth scientists. And I'd say that NASA, being an
independent agency rather than part of the Dept. of Commerce as is
NOAA, has more invested in science than does NOAA. Read up on the
National Polar Orbiting Earth Satellite System (NPOESS) for more
details.

Eric
 




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