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Mars In 39 Days via ...The Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket.



 
 
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Old July 10th 09, 04:59 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.shuttle,sci.physics
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Via The Fourth State of Matter, according to Dr. Franklin Chang-Diaz.
Friend and fellow astronaut of soon to be NASA administrator Bolden.

This new technology was mentioned during NASA confirmation hearings
by General Bolden the other day.


NASA Advanced Space Propulsion Laboratory

"This plasma rocket drive is not powered by conventional chemical reactions
as today's rockets are, but by electrical energy that heats the propellant.
The propellant is a plasma that reaches extreme temperatures - 50,000º
and above. Some scientists call this the fourth state of matter."

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/shuttle/...spl/index.html


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Old July 10th 09, 04:10 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.shuttle,sci.physics
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jonathan wrote:
[snip crap]

NASA Advanced Space Propulsion Laboratory


Shredded $100 bills plus ammonium perchlorate and aluminum dust.

"This plasma rocket drive is not powered by conventional chemical reactions
as today's rockets are, but by electrical energy that heats the propellant.
The propellant is a plasma that reaches extreme temperatures - 50,000º
and above. Some scientists call this the fourth state of matter."


Thrust is about momentum, mv.
Cost of thrust is energy, mv^2/2

Outputting a propellant stream with relativistic velocity is a
complicated way to burn money for the energy without imparting thrust
to the space craft. Even idiot NASA is not proposing building CERN...
In... Space!

Here's the Head Start analysis, git:

1) You burn a megawatt to beam light from the rear with a purely
enormous specific impulse. Are ya goin' anywhere? No.
2) You burn a megawatt to beam mercury ions and an electron dribble
to the rear. Are ya goin' anywhere? No - and mercury will plate out
everywhere, shorting all electronics and dissolving the craft by
amalgamation.
3) You burn a megawatt to beam ionized SF6 and a proton dribble to
the rear. Are ya goin' anywhere? No - and all the insides corrode
away from liberated fluorine.
4) You burn a megawatt to beam xenon ions and an electron dribble
to the rear. Are ya goin' anywhere? No - and price a tonne of
xenon. Burning gold would be way cheaper.
5) You burn a megawatt to burn superheated algae with giant algae
culture tanks baking in hard solar UV and cosmic radiation...

idiot

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Old July 10th 09, 10:58 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.shuttle,sci.physics
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Negative fifty thousand degrees, ****nozzle.





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Old July 10th 09, 11:56 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.shuttle,sci.physics
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"Uncle Al" wrote in message
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jonathan wrote:
[snip crap]

NASA Advanced Space Propulsion Laboratory


Shredded $100 bills plus ammonium perchlorate and aluminum dust.

"This plasma rocket drive is not powered by conventional chemical reactions
as today's rockets are, but by electrical energy that heats the propellant.
The propellant is a plasma that reaches extreme temperatures - 50,000º
and above. Some scientists call this the fourth state of matter."





idiot



You know I was quoting Chang right? You know what quotation marks
are right? He's an idiot, why do you say that? And it would be nice
if you replied in plain English instead of your usual gibberish.

Jonathan

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Old July 11th 09, 12:01 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.shuttle,sci.physics
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"Merkatron II" wrote in message ...

"The propellant is a plasma that reaches extreme temperatures - 50,000º
and above. Some scientists call this the fourth state of matter."



Negative fifty thousand degrees, ****nozzle.



Gawd, it was a hyphen. Did you really read that sentence as meaning
minus fifty thousand degrees and....above?

Two responses in a row from people that can't read, what are the odds
of that?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hyphen









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Old July 11th 09, 12:03 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.shuttle,sci.physics
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if it works.........

you build a solar explorer, it leaves earth and visits all the planets
stopping in orbit at each one , perhaps dropping off a robotic
explorer at suitable planets.

a pluto explorer could go there then explore some asteroids.

wonder how such a engine could scale up to redirect a planet killer
asteroid?

in any case we could be zipping around the solar system within 10 to
20 years, for robotic exploration..

mars in 39 days?

hey how many are planning to take the new 4 month mars vacation?

see the new mars explorers, a old viking lander site,

how long to a nearby solar system?
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Old July 11th 09, 12:16 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.shuttle,sci.physics
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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
om...

Isn't this stuff awfully dangerous as well though?



I was wondering what people think of it, I've never heard
of it before. The fact that Bolden brought it up in his
Congressional hearings would suggest it's not some pipe-dream.
And it's being developed by a long time friend of his a fellow
astronaut which tells me this might begetting some real funding
soon.

I jus find it odd he brought it up, is this some promising
new technology few knew about? Or is Bolden selling
Congress some kind of bill of goods to justify the manned
space flight program with on to the Moon and Mars?

I think it was a song and dance to pump up support for
another moon-shot.


Jonathan



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"jonathan" wrote in message
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Via The Fourth State of Matter, according to Dr. Franklin Chang-Diaz.
Friend and fellow astronaut of soon to be NASA administrator Bolden.

This new technology was mentioned during NASA confirmation hearings
by General Bolden the other day.


NASA Advanced Space Propulsion Laboratory

"This plasma rocket drive is not powered by conventional chemical reactions
as today's rockets are, but by electrical energy that heats the propellant.
The propellant is a plasma that reaches extreme temperatures - 50,000º
and above. Some scientists call this the fourth state of matter."

http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/shuttle/...spl/index.html





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Old July 11th 09, 12:17 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.shuttle,sci.physics
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"jonathan" wrote in message
...

"Merkatron II" wrote in message
...

"The propellant is a plasma that reaches extreme temperatures - 50,000º
and above. Some scientists call this the fourth state of matter."



Negative fifty thousand degrees, ****nozzle.



Gawd, it was a hyphen. Did you really read that sentence as meaning
minus fifty thousand degrees and....above?

Two responses in a row from people that can't read, what are the odds
of that?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hyphen


You've run into the ****nozzle. Don't try to correct it, give it another
drink and perhaps it'll die.




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Old July 11th 09, 01:04 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.shuttle,sci.physics
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In sci.space.policy bob haller wrote:
mars in 39 days?
...
how long to a nearby solar system?


You still aren't anywhere near a non-epsilon fraction of c so a bit of
web searching for distances and some math will tell you the decades if
not centuries or more involved.

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