Giant gas planets and how they gathered their gas at formation

I believe they started as a huge rock metal core greater than the mass
of the earth that was capable of gathering their huge gas atmospheres
through great gravity. Gas by itself does not possess enough gravity.

Mitch Raemsch

"BURT" wrote in message
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I believe they started as a huge rock metal core greater than the mass
of the earth that was capable of gathering their huge gas atmospheres
through great gravity. Gas by itself does not possess enough gravity.

Mitch Raemsch

You have just "proved" that stars can't be made of mostly hydrogen and
helium. Nice work. (Looks up as the sun winks out, followed by stars
switching off later tonight. Oh dear.)

Get enough hydrogen and helium together and you get plenty of gravity,
believe me.

--
Mike Dworetsky

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On Sep 28, 12:40*am, "Mike Dworetsky"
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"BURT" wrote in message

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I believe they started as a huge rock metal core greater than the mass
of the earth that was capable of gathering their huge gas atmospheres
through great gravity. Gas by itself does not possess enough gravity.

Mitch Raemsch

You have just "proved" that stars can't be made of mostly hydrogen and
helium. *Nice work. *(Looks up as the sun winks out, followed by stars
switching off later tonight. *Oh dear.)

Get enough hydrogen and helium together and you get plenty of gravity,
believe me.

--
Mike Dworetsky

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There is no mechanism except heavy matter to begin to build gas. It
simply does not come that concentrated to begin with.

Mitch Raemsch

BURT wrote:
On Sep 28, 12:40 am, "Mike Dworetsky"
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"BURT" wrote in message

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I believe they started as a huge rock metal core greater than the mass
of the earth that was capable of gathering their huge gas atmospheres
through great gravity. Gas by itself does not possess enough gravity.
Mitch Raemsch
You have just "proved" that stars can't be made of mostly hydrogen and
helium. Nice work. (Looks up as the sun winks out, followed by stars
switching off later tonight. Oh dear.)

Get enough hydrogen and helium together and you get plenty of gravity,
believe me.

--
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)

There is no mechanism except heavy matter to begin to build gas. It
simply does not come that concentrated to begin with.

Mitch Raemsch

God did it

--
Abo

....care to explain the first rocks?


"BURT" wrote in message
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On Sep 28, 12:40 am, "Mike Dworetsky"
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"BURT" wrote in message

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I believe they started as a huge rock metal core greater than the mass
of the earth that was capable of gathering their huge gas atmospheres
through great gravity. Gas by itself does not possess enough gravity.

Mitch Raemsch

You have just "proved" that stars can't be made of mostly hydrogen and
helium. Nice work. (Looks up as the sun winks out, followed by stars
switching off later tonight. Oh dear.)

Get enough hydrogen and helium together and you get plenty of gravity,
believe me.

--
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)

There is no mechanism except heavy matter to begin to build gas. It
simply does not come that concentrated to begin with.

Mitch Raemsch

oh, this should be fun.

"Ralph" wrote in message ...
...care to explain the first rocks?


"BURT" wrote in message
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On Sep 28, 12:40 am, "Mike Dworetsky"
wrote:
"BURT" wrote in message

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I believe they started as a huge rock metal core greater than the mass
of the earth that was capable of gathering their huge gas atmospheres
through great gravity. Gas by itself does not possess enough gravity.

Mitch Raemsch

You have just "proved" that stars can't be made of mostly hydrogen and
helium. Nice work. (Looks up as the sun winks out, followed by stars
switching off later tonight. Oh dear.)

Get enough hydrogen and helium together and you get plenty of gravity,
believe me.

--
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)

There is no mechanism except heavy matter to begin to build gas. It
simply does not come that concentrated to begin with.

Mitch Raemsch

BURT wrote:

There is no mechanism except heavy matter

Which came from... where?

to begin to build gas. It
simply does not come that concentrated to begin with.

When the universe was really really small, the density was much much
larger than today.

On Sep 30, 2:32*pm, Mark McIntyre
wrote:
BURT wrote:

There is no mechanism except heavy matter

Which came from... where?

to begin to build gas. It
simply does not come that concentrated to begin with.

When the universe was really really small, the density was much much
larger than today.

Yes and everything had the same shape. This is 4 dimensional geometry
of expansion.

Mitch Raemsch

....but current observations have that early density in either hydrogen or
helium gas or even more basic particles.
What is your explanation of how any larger particles formed?
What were your rocks made of, and how did it form?


"BURT" wrote in message
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I believe they started as a huge rock metal core greater than the mass
of the earth that was capable of gathering their huge gas atmospheres
through great gravity. Gas by itself does not possess enough gravity.

Mitch Raemsch

....or am I just misunderstanding you?
Do you contend that the rocks just "formed" in that primordial "soup"?
If so, I'd recommend you to help guide those poor, misinformed doomsday
cultists that were protesting the CERN startup.

The temperatures and pressures needed to form that sort of structure,
(forming anything that complex is against all odds taught in 2nd or 3rd year
physics) are many orders of magnitude more than CERN could possibly get to.

If rocks formed that early, there'd also be LOTS more of them. That's why
the current ideas of particle evolution are the way they are.

Rocks, as we know them, form less than 1% of the matter that is known.
The matter that is known (atoms) forms about 5% of what we can see evidence
for.
Gravity calculations say there has to be that much more other stuff.

That's what current science is looking for, in dark matter and dark energy.
Or are all the separate groups of competing scientists wrong in the last
century of observations?

"Ralph" wrote in message ...
...but current observations have that early density in either hydrogen or
helium gas or even more basic particles.
What is your explanation of how any larger particles formed?
What were your rocks made of, and how did it form?


"BURT" wrote in message
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I believe they started as a huge rock metal core greater than the mass
of the earth that was capable of gathering their huge gas atmospheres
through great gravity. Gas by itself does not possess enough gravity.

Mitch Raemsch