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Old September 30th 05, 04:24 AM
Reed Snellenberger
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"Allen Thomson" wrote in news:1128042965.949192.94610
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(*) Sic. There really are ships that can pick up things like SBX and
carry them on deck. My brain is still trying to cope with the concept.


Here's a picture to help your brain (shows the U.S.S. Cole being brought
back from Yemen).

http://www.naval-technology.com/proj...ke/burke2.html




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Old September 30th 05, 06:15 AM
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Pat Flannery wrote:

I found some detailed photos of it under construction:
http://bmdsidc.mda.mil/MDA_Photo_Library/sbx.shtm
Those are very odd looking ladders- like something out of "The Cabinet
Of Dr. Caligari". :-)


If you are referring to the crazy-curvy thinks that look like ladders,
I suspect they are actually wireways.

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Old September 30th 05, 06:32 AM
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Reed Snellenberger wrote:

Here's a picture to help your brain (shows the U.S.S. Cole being brought
back from Yemen).

http://www.naval-technology.com/proj...ke/burke2.html



That doesn't even look real, does it? It looks like toy boats stacked up
in a bathtub. :-D

Pat
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Old September 30th 05, 06:44 AM
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Derek Lyons wrote:

Pat Flannery wrote:



I found some detailed photos of it under construction:
http://bmdsidc.mda.mil/MDA_Photo_Library/sbx.shtm
Those are very odd looking ladders- like something out of "The Cabinet
Of Dr. Caligari". :-)



If you are referring to the crazy-curvy thinks that look like ladders,
I suspect they are actually wireways.



I thought that at first also, but they look more like ladders that allow
access to the antenna no matter how it's elevated or slewed. The size
and crossbar spacing are right, and the ones on either side of the
elevation gear don't seem to join to anything at their lower ends.
You could be right though- I can picture masses of cables being laid
inside them that haven't been installed when the picture was taken.

Pat
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Old September 30th 05, 02:33 PM
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Damon Hill wrote:


Must be semisubmersible, to be able to load/unload something as
large as that...


That's right. They take on ballast until the main deck is several
meters underwater, the load is floated over it, and the ballast
is pumped out (carefully!).

See http://www.dockwise.com/?sid=25&project=81 for a general idea
of what is being contemplated for SBX and
http://www.dockwise.com/?sid=25 for other impressive pictures of heavy
lifting.

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Old September 30th 05, 02:53 PM
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Ed Kyle wrote:

How many knew about this test? The Air Force (US variety)
drop (parachute) launched a Castor 4B-based test missile
from a C-17 on September 26 to test the Cobra Dane missile
defense radar system.



I initially thought the missile was a Castor-based Orbital
target vehicle, but apparently it was a L-3 Coleman Aerospace
Long Range Air Launch Target. I confess I'd never heard of it
befo http://www.crc.com/LRALT.htm


http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050929/sfth071.html?.v=28


Lockheed Martin Launches Target for Cobra Dane Exercise
Thursday September 29 [2005], 3:46 pm ET
Team Completes First Mission for MDA's Targets and Countermeasures
Program

ARLINGTON, Va., Sept. 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Lockheed Martin
(NYSE: LMT - News) announced today that it has completed its first
mission for the U.S. Missile Defense Agency's (MDA's) Targets and
Countermeasures program, for which the company is prime contractor.
Lockheed Martin provided the test missile for the MDA's successful
Cobra Dane radar tracking exercise this week.

The Lockheed Martin industry team launched the target missile from a
U.S. Air Force C-17 aircraft over the Pacific Ocean hundreds of
kilometers from the Cobra Dane radar at Eareckson Air Station in
Shemya, Alaska. The radar successfully tracked the test missile,
demonstrating the preparedness of this element of the Ballistic Missile
Defense System. The AN/FPS-108 Cobra Dane radar is a ground-based
sensor for tracking incoming threat missiles.

"We are pleased to have delivered 100 percent mission success on our
first mission working in partnership with the Missile Defense Agency as
the Targets and Countermeasures prime contractor," said Linda Reiners,
vice president, Missile Defense Systems, Lockheed Martin Space Systems
Company.

For the exercise, Lockheed Martin subcontractor L-3 Coleman Aerospace
of Orlando, Fla., constructed a launch vehicle that simulated a
realistic missile threat.

[snip]

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Old September 30th 05, 03:34 PM
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Allen Thomson wrote:
Ed Kyle wrote:

How many knew about this test? The Air Force (US variety)
drop (parachute) launched a Castor 4B-based test missile
from a C-17 on September 26 to test the Cobra Dane missile
defense radar system.



I initially thought the missile was a Castor-based Orbital
target vehicle, but apparently it was a L-3 Coleman Aerospace
Long Range Air Launch Target. I confess I'd never heard of it
befo http://www.crc.com/LRALT.htm


http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050929/sfth071.html?.v=28


Lockheed Martin Launches Target for Cobra Dane Exercise
Thursday September 29 [2005], 3:46 pm ET
Team Completes First Mission for MDA's Targets and Countermeasures
Program

ARLINGTON, Va., Sept. 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Lockheed Martin
(NYSE: LMT - News) announced today that it has completed its first
mission for the U.S. Missile Defense Agency's (MDA's) Targets and
Countermeasures program, for which the company is prime contractor.
Lockheed Martin provided the test missile for the MDA's successful
Cobra Dane radar tracking exercise this week.

The Lockheed Martin industry team launched the target missile from a
U.S. Air Force C-17 aircraft over the Pacific Ocean hundreds of
kilometers from the Cobra Dane radar at Eareckson Air Station in
Shemya, Alaska. The radar successfully tracked the test missile,
demonstrating the preparedness of this element of the Ballistic Missile
Defense System. The AN/FPS-108 Cobra Dane radar is a ground-based
sensor for tracking incoming threat missiles.

"We are pleased to have delivered 100 percent mission success on our
first mission working in partnership with the Missile Defense Agency as
the Targets and Countermeasures prime contractor," said Linda Reiners,
vice president, Missile Defense Systems, Lockheed Martin Space Systems
Company.

For the exercise, Lockheed Martin subcontractor L-3 Coleman Aerospace
of Orlando, Fla., constructed a launch vehicle that simulated a
realistic missile threat.

[snip]


The following writeup appears to describe the origin
of the test missile. Something called AltAir:

"http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/altair.htm"

The two-stage version of this thing would probably
weigh about 16 tonnes with payload, so it really is
a fairly "big" rocket.

Which makes me wonder. What is the heaviest launch
vehicle load that could be carried by a C-17? Could
it handle a 36 tonne Minotaur, which can orbit as
much as 640 kg? Some tonnes must be required just
for the launcher equipment, and I see that the max
loading is thought to be something like 77 tonnes.

It would seem that the missile defense effort might
be creating some potentially useful space launch
infrastructure.

- Ed Kyle

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Old September 30th 05, 05:26 PM
Ed Kyle
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Ed Kyle wrote:
Allen Thomson wrote:
Ed Kyle wrote:

How many knew about this test? The Air Force (US variety)
drop (parachute) launched a Castor 4B-based test missile
from a C-17 on September 26 to test the Cobra Dane missile
defense radar system.



I initially thought the missile was a Castor-based Orbital
target vehicle, but apparently it was a L-3 Coleman Aerospace
Long Range Air Launch Target. I confess I'd never heard of it
befo http://www.crc.com/LRALT.htm


http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050929/sfth071.html?.v=28


Lockheed Martin Launches Target for Cobra Dane Exercise
Thursday September 29 [2005], 3:46 pm ET
Team Completes First Mission for MDA's Targets and Countermeasures
Program

ARLINGTON, Va., Sept. 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Lockheed Martin
(NYSE: LMT - News) announced today that it has completed its first
mission for the U.S. Missile Defense Agency's (MDA's) Targets and
Countermeasures program, for which the company is prime contractor.
Lockheed Martin provided the test missile for the MDA's successful
Cobra Dane radar tracking exercise this week.

The Lockheed Martin industry team launched the target missile from a
U.S. Air Force C-17 aircraft over the Pacific Ocean hundreds of
kilometers from the Cobra Dane radar at Eareckson Air Station in
Shemya, Alaska. The radar successfully tracked the test missile,
demonstrating the preparedness of this element of the Ballistic Missile
Defense System. The AN/FPS-108 Cobra Dane radar is a ground-based
sensor for tracking incoming threat missiles.

"We are pleased to have delivered 100 percent mission success on our
first mission working in partnership with the Missile Defense Agency as
the Targets and Countermeasures prime contractor," said Linda Reiners,
vice president, Missile Defense Systems, Lockheed Martin Space Systems
Company.

For the exercise, Lockheed Martin subcontractor L-3 Coleman Aerospace
of Orlando, Fla., constructed a launch vehicle that simulated a
realistic missile threat.

[snip]


The following writeup appears to describe the origin
of the test missile. Something called AltAir:

"http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/altair.htm"

The two-stage version of this thing would probably
weigh about 16 tonnes with payload, so it really is
a fairly "big" rocket.

Which makes me wonder. What is the heaviest launch
vehicle load that could be carried by a C-17? Could
it handle a 36 tonne Minotaur, which can orbit as
much as 640 kg? Some tonnes must be required just
for the launcher equipment, and I see that the max
loading is thought to be something like 77 tonnes.


It looks like they already did this almost, with
what looks to be the first two stages of a Minuteman
that would have weighed more than 30 tonnes.

"http://www.crc.com/SRALT.htm"

- Ed Kyle


It would seem that the missile defense effort might
be creating some potentially useful space launch
infrastructure.

- Ed Kyle


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Old September 30th 05, 05:44 PM
Allen Thomson
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Long Range Air Launch Target. I confess I'd never heard of it
befo http://www.crc.com/LRALT.htm


Also http://ax.losangeles.af.mil/axf/eaapgs/docs/lraltea.pdf

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Old September 30th 05, 06:01 PM
Ed Kyle
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Ed Kyle wrote:
Allen Thomson wrote:
Ed Kyle wrote:

How many knew about this test? The Air Force (US variety)
drop (parachute) launched a Castor 4B-based test missile
from a C-17 on September 26 to test the Cobra Dane missile
defense radar system.



I initially thought the missile was a Castor-based Orbital
target vehicle, but apparently it was a L-3 Coleman Aerospace
Long Range Air Launch Target. I confess I'd never heard of it
befo http://www.crc.com/LRALT.htm


http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050929/sfth071.html?.v=28


Lockheed Martin Launches Target for Cobra Dane Exercise
Thursday September 29 [2005], 3:46 pm ET
Team Completes First Mission for MDA's Targets and Countermeasures
Program

ARLINGTON, Va., Sept. 29 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Lockheed Martin
(NYSE: LMT - News) announced today that it has completed its first
mission for the U.S. Missile Defense Agency's (MDA's) Targets and
Countermeasures program, for which the company is prime contractor.
Lockheed Martin provided the test missile for the MDA's successful
Cobra Dane radar tracking exercise this week.

The Lockheed Martin industry team launched the target missile from a
U.S. Air Force C-17 aircraft over the Pacific Ocean hundreds of
kilometers from the Cobra Dane radar at Eareckson Air Station in
Shemya, Alaska. The radar successfully tracked the test missile,
demonstrating the preparedness of this element of the Ballistic Missile
Defense System. The AN/FPS-108 Cobra Dane radar is a ground-based
sensor for tracking incoming threat missiles.

"We are pleased to have delivered 100 percent mission success on our
first mission working in partnership with the Missile Defense Agency as
the Targets and Countermeasures prime contractor," said Linda Reiners,
vice president, Missile Defense Systems, Lockheed Martin Space Systems
Company.

For the exercise, Lockheed Martin subcontractor L-3 Coleman Aerospace
of Orlando, Fla., constructed a launch vehicle that simulated a
realistic missile threat.

[snip]


The following writeup appears to describe the origin
of the test missile. Something called AltAir:

"http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/altair.htm"

The two-stage version of this thing would probably
weigh about 16 tonnes with payload, so it really is
a fairly "big" rocket.

Which makes me wonder. What is the heaviest launch
vehicle load that could be carried by a C-17? Could
it handle a 36 tonne Minotaur, which can orbit as
much as 640 kg? Some tonnes must be required just
for the launcher equipment, and I see that the max
loading is thought to be something like 77 tonnes.


Sheesh. It looks like it has already been done almost.

"http://www.crc.com/SRALT.htm"

This thing looks like it consisted of the first two
stages of a Minuteman, which would have weighed in at
more than 30 tonnes. They've been busy out there over
the Pacific horizon...

- Ed Kyle


It would seem that the missile defense effort might
be creating some potentially useful space launch
infrastructure.

- Ed Kyle


 




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