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Rand Simberg wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:35:12 -0500, in a place far, far away, Herb Schaltegger made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Giving aid and comfort to the enemy" used to be a crime. I regret that fooling with my killfile let me see a post by Lowther, but . . . Going to war under knowingly false pretenses, Why does this bizarre delusion persist Simple: politics. The United States in a state of collapse is what the Left likes best; so if they can't actually have that collpase, they'll pretend that it's there in the hopes that they can depress everyone. |
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:35:12 -0500, in a place far, far away, Herb
Schaltegger made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Giving aid and comfort to the enemy" used to be a crime. I regret that fooling with my killfile let me see a post by Lowther, but . . . Going to war under knowingly false pretenses, Why does this bizarre delusion persist, in the wake of all of the investigations that show otherwise? |
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On 18 Jun 2005 09:36:00 -0700, in a place far, far away,
" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Rand Simberg wrote: On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:35:12 -0500, in a place far, far away, Herb Schaltegger made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Going to war under knowingly false pretenses, Why does this bizarre delusion persist, in the wake of all of the investigations that show otherwise? In your mind only, it apparently exists because you won't take the time to listen to the 6.5 minute audio available he http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=6515 Among other things, McGovern states that, "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free," is chiseled into the stone of CIA Headquarters. McGovern is an anti-semitic nutcase, who thinks that the purpose of the war was to allow Israel to take over the Middle East. I can see why you like him. |
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Scott Lowther wrote: Indeed. If Bush gives in to the bleating retards who want the US to abandon the war, then not only will he doom his presidency, but also the future of America. "Giving aid and comfort to the enemy" used to be a crime. It is...in wartime...we haven't legally declared war on anyone yet; if we had, then all those poor shmucks down at Guantanamo Bay would be POWs and subject to their rights under the Geneva Conventions...and we wouldn't want that, would we? Pat |
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On 18 Jun 2005 10:10:43 -0700, in a place far, far away,
" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Among other things, McGovern states that, "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free," is chiseled into the stone of CIA Headquarters. McGovern is an anti-semitic nutcase, who thinks that the purpose of the war was to allow Israel to take over the Middle East. I can see why you like him. We're all Americans, Rand, whether you like it or not. I must have missed the post where I said otherwise. Though in fact, there are many in this newsgroup, some of them highly respected, who aren't Americans. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I'll not waste time defending my archived posts against your baseless insinuation. I have many more Jewish friends than Jewish enemies. Furthermore, I've seen nothing to indicate that your labeling of McGovern is in any way correct. If you want logic, I suggest you stick to it. Provide a reference. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...601570_pf.html "The session took an awkward turn when witness Ray McGovern, a former intelligence analyst, declared that the United States went to war in Iraq for oil, Israel and military bases craved by administration 'neocons' so 'the United States and Israel could dominate that part of the world.' He said that Israel should not be considered an ally and that Bush was doing the bidding of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. 'Israel is not allowed to be brought up in polite conversation,' McGovern said. 'The last time I did this, the previous director of Central Intelligence called me anti-Semitic.' " Gee, imagine that... |
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Scott Lowther wrote:
Perfect summation of the political Left. "La-la-la-la I can't hear you la-la-la..." In terms of Challenger, that's ironic -- to say the least. Your last three posts to this thread appear to consign everyone who differs with you to "the Left." It's a pity that you've never assigned the emphasis of a capital 'L' to Challenger's left booster. Like so many others here, you've always deemed only the right one worthy of carrying the Reagan/Bush torch. Challenger's Ghost |
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Rand Simberg wrote:
No, they wouldn't. They're unlawful combatants. And they are being treated according to Geneva despite that. This from a citizen of the USA whose constitution grants the right to all citizens to bear arms to defend their country. Sorry folks, there are no "unlawful combattants". No matter how justified the military intervention in Afghanistan was, Afghans had full rights to defend their country against an invading military force. The Bush regime just invented thsi phrase and trying to justify their war crimes. Oh, and by the way, the USA constitution also grants legal rights/due legal process to PEOPLE, not citizens. The people at gantanamo, while being treated like animals, should have been given due legal process by the USA, charged with a crime, provided with a proper court (not some judicial military kangoroo court) and tried within reasonable time. The Bush regime managed to convince americans that because they were not USA citizens, they didn't have any rights. And if they were unlawful combattants, then the folks who had had roots in the USA should have been treated the exact same way asn the others. Legal rights are granted to people, not american citizens. And americans were gullible enough to believe their government, the media in love with the white house never wishing to contradict what the white house says, and americans only wanting to hear the newas that want to hear, not the news they need to hear. |
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"Herb Schaltegger" wrote in message .com... Going to war under knowingly false pretenses, wasting 1,700+ soldiers' lives and about $300 billion, doubling the domestic price of fuel and strangling the economy due to energy prices You've been watching too much PBS. The US economy is in the best shape it's been in years. *After* recent tax cuts, the government reached a new record in tax receipts. and federal deficits should easily qualify as "high crimes and misdemeanors" under any reasonable definition. The idea that there is a "budget surplus", as long as we have a national debt, is laughable. Watching those Congressional clowns talk about "applying the surplus to the debt" would have been funny if it didn't involve lives. A surplus exists only so long as, after the debts are paid off, you can write a check that doesn't bounce. |
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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message ... It is...in wartime...we haven't legally declared war on anyone yet; if we had, then all those poor shmucks down at Guantanamo Bay would be POWs and subject to their rights under the Geneva Conventions...and we wouldn't want that, would we? I have no lost love for those stuck in Gitmo. Still, we're supposed to be the good guys, and one thing that separates the good guys from the bad guys is that the good guys *don't break the rules* or hire others to break them for us. If the rules are inconvenient, then change them, using proper procedure, in the full light of public review. If the government ships someone off to another country so that person can be interrogated under torture, it's no different than if my government itself did the torture. I don't have a real problem with torture- my problem is with my government denying that the United States is responsible, and that my country agreed to rules prohibiting it. Either break the Geneva Convention or follow it. Part of the blame lies with those in Gitmo- if they want to fall under the Geneva Convention, then they need to follow the rules as well, part of which calls for fighting while wearing clearly identified *uniforms*. Still, that's not enough for my government to justify it's actions, particularly to American citizens, such as Padilla. Whether or not the little **** deserves it, as a US citizen the government *owes him* certain things, such as a speedy trial and the right to an attorney. Gitmo is a US military base, which makes it US soil- claiming otherwise sets a dangerous precedent that will come back to bite. |
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