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Il giorno domenica 9 febbraio 2020 16:31:08 UTC+1, Alain Fournier ha scritto:
On Feb/9/2020 at 07:18, wrote : www.asps.it/prooooot.htm Adding one, or more, habitable planets just delays the problem. The way we are growing resource utilisation ultimately we will be using too much resources for what is available. It is better to start using the resources we have in a sensible way than adding new planets. it seems to me that you starts from an unproven principle in the history of humanity: that humanity in its entirety is capable of shared political choices Il 9 febbraio 2020 alle 07:18, ha scritto : www.asps.it/prooooot.htm L'aggiunta di uno o più pianeti abitabili fa che ritardare il problema. In modo in cui stiamo aumentando l'utilizzo delle risorse alla fine useremo troppe risorse per ciò che è disponibile. È meglio iniziare usando le risorse che abbiamo in modo ragionevole piuttosto che aggiungere nuovi pianeti. Alain Fournier |
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On Feb/9/2020 at 12:05, wrote :
Il giorno domenica 9 febbraio 2020 16:31:08 UTC+1, Alain Fournier ha scritto: On Feb/9/2020 at 07:18, wrote : www.asps.it/prooooot.htm Adding one, or more, habitable planets just delays the problem. The way we are growing resource utilisation ultimately we will be using too much resources for what is available. It is better to start using the resources we have in a sensible way than adding new planets. it seems to me that you starts from an unproven principle in the history of humanity: that humanity in its entirety is capable of shared political choices I'm not saying that humanity is capable to do it. Only that if humanity doesn't stop increasing resource utilisation the way it is now doing it, we are going to run into a major problem. If you add a new planet you can delay the problem a few years, if you add one hundred planets you might delay it for maybe a century. In any case, if we continue on this path, major problems are coming in the not too distant future. Colonising new planets doesn't change much in this respect. Alain Fournier |
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Il giorno domenica 9 febbraio 2020 18:39:43 UTC+1, Alain Fournier ha scritto:
On Feb/9/2020 at 12:05, wrote : Il giorno domenica 9 febbraio 2020 16:31:08 UTC+1, Alain Fournier ha scritto: On Feb/9/2020 at 07:18, wrote : www.asps.it/prooooot.htm Adding one, or more, habitable planets just delays the problem. The way we are growing resource utilisation ultimately we will be using too much resources for what is available. It is better to start using the resources we have in a sensible way than adding new planets. it seems to me that you starts from an unproven principle in the history of humanity: that humanity in its entirety is capable of shared political choices I'm not saying that humanity is capable to do it. Only that if humanity doesn't stop increasing resource utilisation the way it is now doing it, we are going to run into a major problem. If you add a new planet you can delay the problem a few years, if you add one hundred planets you might delay it for maybe a century. In any case, if we continue on this path, major problems are coming in the not too distant future. Colonising new planets doesn't change much in this respect. Alain Fournier America is the result of European colonialism. Had this not been the case, World War I and II would have had different conclusions. As said Lao Tze: what is beautiful is not true, what is true is not beautiful |
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On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 1:22:46 PM UTC-8, JF Mezei wrote:
On 2020-02-09 10:31, Alain Fournier wrote: Adding one, or more, habitable planets just delays the problem. Similar to climate change where the Paris accord set what are essentially per capita CO2 emissions targets, there needs to be a standard, sustainable number of people per habitable land. In a world where the economy is structured to rely on growth, this is currently impossible because imposing limit on emissions or population will stop growth. So the "capitalist" world needs to re-invent itself to have ecnomic success without growth. Same with financing of debt which often runs on the hope a company will grow and this make its debt smaller relative to its size. Current democracy is flawed because it lacks "big picture" abilities to take strong action that saves the planet but hurts voters. We just need more population decline: "The conventional projection by the UN is that world population, currently 7.7 billion, will increase to 11.2 billion in 2100, then stabilise before slowly declining. However, current trends cast much doubt on this picture. Fertility rates are in dramatic decline worldwide and world population may peak below nine billion by 2050 and then decline." See: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/scie...tter-1.3808527 |
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On Feb/9/2020 at 16:22, JF Mezei wrote :
On 2020-02-09 10:31, Alain Fournier wrote: Adding one, or more, habitable planets just delays the problem. Similar to climate change where the Paris accord set what are essentially per capita CO2 emissions targets, there needs to be a standard, sustainable number of people per habitable land. In a world where the economy is structured to rely on growth, this is currently impossible because imposing limit on emissions or population will stop growth. I disagree. Building electric trains doesn't produce less growth than building coal fired steam trains. Building solar power stations doesn't produce less growth than coal fired power stations. It is possible to have growth while being less destructive. Alain Fournier |
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On Sun, 9 Feb 2020, Alain Fournier wrote:
On Feb/9/2020 at 07:18, wrote : www.asps.it/prooooot.htm Adding one, or more, habitable planets just delays the problem. The way we are growing resource utilisation ultimately we will be using too much resources for what is available. It is better to start using the resources we have in a sensible way than adding new planets. Total fantasy. We can't even get to mars before we've ruin Earth. |
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Il giorno lunedì 10 febbraio 2020 02:08:18 UTC+1, Alain Fournier ha scritto:
On Feb/9/2020 at 16:22, JF Mezei wrote : On 2020-02-09 10:31, Alain Fournier wrote: Adding one, or more, habitable planets just delays the problem. Similar to climate change where the Paris accord set what are essentially per capita CO2 emissions targets, there needs to be a standard, sustainable number of people per habitable land. In a world where the economy is structured to rely on growth, this is currently impossible because imposing limit on emissions or population will stop growth. I disagree. Building electric trains doesn't produce less growth than building coal fired steam trains. Building solar power stations doesn't produce less growth than coal fired power stations. It is possible to have growth while being less destructive. Alain Fournier The violation of the principle of action and reaction necessarily involves the redefinition of the I and II principle of dynamics ... .. inertia law is no longer a uniform rectilinear motion and F = m*a it is no longer the same. What do I mean? That you can get out of Newtonian mechanics and build other spaceships that reach the rocky planets light years away. Spaceships that need kilopower nuclear reactors. But first I have to defend the F432 patent and demonstrate the PNN to a NASA that is deaf and wastes time with missiles. Who among you can contact one of NASA who comes to see PNN tests? Unfortunately, the PNN is incredible, but it's another world |
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