Deep space Dragon spacecraft?

How much space is required per person for long duration (I assume the
issue is duration rather than distance) space travel? Does anything
set a good starting point for estimation?

I would think that what one can deal with over six days is rather
different than what one would deal with for six weeks or six months
etc etc.

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How much space is required per person for long duration (I assume the
issue is duration rather than distance) space travel? Does anything
set a good starting point for estimation?

I would think that what one can deal with over six days is rather
different than what one would deal with for six weeks or six months
etc etc.

This has been studied over and over by both NASA and Russia. Google
"simulated space mission".

For example:

Crew selected for Hawaii simulated space mission, July 7, 2012
http://washingtonexaminer.com/crew-s...mulated-space-
mission/article/feed/2009877

MARS-500 (Russian simulation of a manned Mars mission)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARS-500

Lost in simulated space on the way to Mars by Wang Ru for China Daily,
Jan 19, 2012
http://www.marsdaily.com/reports/Los...n_the_way_to_M
ars_999.html

No doubt there are numerous scientific papers on the subject.

Jeff
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In article ,
says...

In article ,
says...

How much space is required per person for long duration (I assume the
issue is duration rather than distance) space travel? Does anything
set a good starting point for estimation?

I would think that what one can deal with over six days is rather
different than what one would deal with for six weeks or six months
etc etc.

This has been studied over and over by both NASA and Russia. Google
"simulated space mission".

For example:

Crew selected for Hawaii simulated space mission, July 7, 2012
http://washingtonexaminer.com/crew-s...mulated-space-
mission/article/feed/2009877

MARS-500 (Russian simulation of a manned Mars mission)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARS-500

Lost in simulated space on the way to Mars by Wang Ru for China Daily,
Jan 19, 2012
http://www.marsdaily.com/reports/Los...n_the_way_to_M
ars_999.html

No doubt there are numerous scientific papers on the subject.

Almost forgot about NEEMO missions on Aquarius. The simulated
"missions" are not as long as needed to get to Mars and back, but the
underwater lab is rather small when compared to the Mars mission
simulators, so it's likely another useful data point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEEMO

http://aquarius.uncw.edu/about/

Jeff
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" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker

Jeff Findley wrote:

MARS-500 (Russian simulation of a manned Mars mission)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARS-500

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARS-500#Facility suggests there were 550
cubic meters of volume there. Shared by a crew of 6 people.

Lost in simulated space on the way to Mars by Wang Ru for China Daily,
Jan 19, 2012
http://www.marsdaily.com/reports/Los...ars_999.htm l

Says he had a 3 square meter space of his own out of the space in the
simulated spacecraft.

So, I have the person with whom you are debating killfiled, so I may
have missed something but what else is expected to be coming along for
the ride with Orion? Any chance of another "Shimmer" moment with one
person thinking Orion alone and another thinking Orion docked with
something else?

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In article ,
says...

Jeff Findley wrote:

MARS-500 (Russian simulation of a manned Mars mission)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARS-500

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARS-500#Facility suggests there were 550
cubic meters of volume there. Shared by a crew of 6 people.

Lost in simulated space on the way to Mars by Wang Ru for China Daily,
Jan 19, 2012
http://www.marsdaily.com/reports/Los...ars_999.htm l

Says he had a 3 square meter space of his own out of the space in the
simulated spacecraft.

So, I have the person with whom you are debating killfiled, so I may
have missed something but what else is expected to be coming along for
the ride with Orion? Any chance of another "Shimmer" moment with one
person thinking Orion alone and another thinking Orion docked with
something else?

I don't think either of us really knows what would be "needed" until
someone better defines what a "deep space mission" is in terms of
duration. Unfortunately, NASA seems to be going about this ass-
backwards by building vehicles before defining missions.

One person was thinking Orion plus a space station core module, plus a
Bigelow inflatable module, plus a propulsion module... It all started
to sound rather large, especially if a "deep space mission" was to and
from the moon (which is only about 3 days travel to get there).

I was giving the example of what Apollo 8 did with "just" a CSM. I
think Orion is already well suited to basic transportation. In some
ways, it's more "roomy" than the space shuttle orbiter's pressurized
volume (flight deck and mid-deck).

I think a lot of things change if the destination already has some sort
of space station, lander, habitat, etc. Why drag all that along with
you if your destination already has it all?

It would be like driving a huge RV cross country only to stay in a five
star hotel at your destination. If a hotel is your destination, perhaps
a much smaller RV would be cheaper...

Jeff
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" Ares 1 is a prime example of the fact that NASA just can't get it
up anymore... and when they can, it doesn't stay up long. "
- tinker