If Gravity Slows Times...Can It Stop Time?

I've read that time is slowed by large gravitational fields. Is it valid
then, to say that an area with massive gravity could stop time, or slow it
to a speed that provides the appearance of stoppage? If I were to fall into
a black hole, the closer I got to the singularity, the slower I would
perceive time, so as I got right up against it...maybe time would move so
slowly from my frame of reference that it takes me "forever" to experience
my death.

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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
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I've read that time is slowed by large gravitational fields. Is it valid
then, to say that an area with massive gravity could stop time, or slow it
to a speed that provides the appearance of stoppage? If I were to fall
into
a black hole, the closer I got to the singularity, the slower I would
perceive time, so as I got right up against it...maybe time would move so
slowly from my frame of reference that it takes me "forever" to experience
my death.

For the observer within the field, or approaching
the speed of light, time does not appear to be
any different for him. It's the external observer
who sees the slowing of time for the one in the
field, or moving at great velocity.

No amount of gravity will stop time for the observer
located in its grip (that said, all bets are off at
the singularity itself).

"Greg Neill" wrote in message
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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
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I've read that time is slowed by large gravitational fields. Is it valid
then, to say that an area with massive gravity could stop time, or slow
it
to a speed that provides the appearance of stoppage? If I were to fall
into
a black hole, the closer I got to the singularity, the slower I would
perceive time, so as I got right up against it...maybe time would move
so
slowly from my frame of reference that it takes me "forever" to
experience
my death.

For the observer within the field, or approaching
the speed of light, time does not appear to be
any different for him. It's the external observer
who sees the slowing of time for the one in the
field, or moving at great velocity.

No amount of gravity will stop time for the observer
located in its grip (that said, all bets are off at
the singularity itself).

That is a KEY fact that I didn't include in my question. Thanks for pointing
out the problem. Now how about this...

I am in a spaceship that has been sucked into a black hole. The Swedish
Bikini team is orbiting the BH, and has a special camera that allows them to
watch me fall towards the singularity. From their frame of reference outside
of mine, time will appear to slow dramatically. So will they be tortured for
eons watching me slowly fall towards impending death?

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BV This post is behind the times . Bert

"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
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I've read that time is slowed by large gravitational fields. Is it valid
then, to say that an area with massive gravity could stop time, or slow
it
to a speed that provides the appearance of stoppage? If I were to fall
into
a black hole, the closer I got to the singularity, the slower I would
perceive time, so as I got right up against it...maybe time would move
so
slowly from my frame of reference that it takes me "forever" to
experience
my death.

For the observer within the field, or approaching
the speed of light, time does not appear to be
any different for him. It's the external observer
who sees the slowing of time for the one in the
field, or moving at great velocity.

No amount of gravity will stop time for the observer
located in its grip (that said, all bets are off at
the singularity itself).

That is a KEY fact that I didn't include in my question. Thanks for pointing
out the problem. Now how about this...

I am in a spaceship that has been sucked into a black hole. The Swedish
Bikini team is orbiting the BH, and has a special camera that allows them to
watch me fall towards the singularity. From their frame of reference outside
of mine, time will appear to slow dramatically. So will they be tortured for
eons watching me slowly fall towards impending death?

no, they will see you disappear behind the horizon.

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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
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"Greg Neill" wrote in message
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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
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I've read that time is slowed by large gravitational fields. Is it valid
then, to say that an area with massive gravity could stop time, or slow
it
to a speed that provides the appearance of stoppage? If I were to fall
into
a black hole, the closer I got to the singularity, the slower I would
perceive time, so as I got right up against it...maybe time would move
so
slowly from my frame of reference that it takes me "forever" to
experience
my death.

For the observer within the field, or approaching
the speed of light, time does not appear to be
any different for him. It's the external observer
who sees the slowing of time for the one in the
field, or moving at great velocity.

No amount of gravity will stop time for the observer
located in its grip (that said, all bets are off at
the singularity itself).

That is a KEY fact that I didn't include in my question. Thanks for pointing
out the problem. Now how about this...

I am in a spaceship that has been sucked into a black hole. The Swedish
Bikini team is orbiting the BH, and has a special camera that allows them to
watch me fall towards the singularity. From their frame of reference outside
of mine, time will appear to slow dramatically. So will they be tortured for
eons watching me slowly fall towards impending death?

no, they will see you disappear behind the horizon.


But isn't the whole point of a black hole that BV's camera cannot exist,
because nothing can pass out of the event horizon?
Though there was a story in Analog magazine a few years ago in which
telepathy is supposed to be some non-physical communication, so it isn't
subject to this. One of a pair of telepaths falls into the hole, and the
other has to "listen" to his/her last scream for the rest of his/her
life (can't remember the genders !)
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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
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I've read that time is slowed by large gravitational fields. Is it valid
then, to say that an area with massive gravity could stop time, or slow it
to a speed that provides the appearance of stoppage? If I were to fall
into
a black hole, the closer I got to the singularity, the slower I would
perceive time, so as I got right up against it...maybe time would move so
slowly from my frame of reference that it takes me "forever" to experience
my death.

For the observer within the field, or approaching
the speed of light, time does not appear to be
any different for him. It's the external observer
who sees the slowing of time for the one in the
field, or moving at great velocity.

No amount of gravity will stop time for the observer
located in its grip (that said, all bets are off at
the singularity itself).


I've been reading Joao Magueijo's "Faster than the speed of light" and
he has a very different view. You can't pass the horizon, and time
passes more slowly for the observer within the field.
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I've been reading Joao Magueijo's "Faster than the speed of light" and
he has a very different view. You can't pass the horizon, and time
passes more slowly for the observer within the field.

Indeed. Mr. Magueijo has some non-mainstream ideas.

How could an observer, under any circumstances, measure
his own rate of time passage to be slower or faster?

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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
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"Greg Neill" wrote in message
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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
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I've read that time is slowed by large gravitational fields. Is it valid
then, to say that an area with massive gravity could stop time, or slow
it
to a speed that provides the appearance of stoppage? If I were to fall
into
a black hole, the closer I got to the singularity, the slower I would
perceive time, so as I got right up against it...maybe time would move
so
slowly from my frame of reference that it takes me "forever" to
experience
my death.

For the observer within the field, or approaching
the speed of light, time does not appear to be
any different for him. It's the external observer
who sees the slowing of time for the one in the
field, or moving at great velocity.

No amount of gravity will stop time for the observer
located in its grip (that said, all bets are off at
the singularity itself).

That is a KEY fact that I didn't include in my question. Thanks for pointing
out the problem. Now how about this...

I am in a spaceship that has been sucked into a black hole. The Swedish
Bikini team is orbiting the BH, and has a special camera that allows them to
watch me fall towards the singularity. From their frame of reference outside
of mine, time will appear to slow dramatically. So will they be tortured for
eons watching me slowly fall towards impending death?

no, they will see you disappear behind the horizon.


But isn't the whole point of a black hole that BV's camera cannot exist,
because nothing can pass out of the event horizon?

exactly, that's why they see you *disappear* behind the event horizon. At the horizon, gravity
is finite, time is not stopped.

"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message
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BV This post is behind the times . Bert

Thanks Bert...How's Treb today?

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