Sam⋅Wormley, the CMBR is 2.7 K today... TODAY. 

On Feb 3, 2:47*pm, Double-A wrote:
On Feb 3, 2:39*pm, Brad Guth wrote:









On Feb 3, 1:49*pm, Double-A wrote:

On Feb 2, 2:17*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 2, 12:40*pm, Double-A wrote:

On Feb 2, 5:55*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 1, 9:04*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 2/1/13 7:28 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

Or, a BH could just as easily be 1e6 K, because no IR or any other
spectrum can escape.

* *That BH would have a mass of 1.2e+14 Metric Tons
* *And a lifetime of 4.9e+27 years

An electron is how hot?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_temperature

Double-A

Thanks for that reminder. *In other words, electrons and/or positrons
can get extremely hot, and because of their singularity size of
essentially zero volume,

How do you know that?

they could easily stay hot for a trillion
years.

John Archibald Wheeler was big on this elemetary particles as black
holes theory, but he gave up on it. *Maybe you should too.

Double-A

Big stuff cools off rather nicely, although smaller stuff like WDs are
taking next to forever to cool off. *Therefore the quantum singularity
of the electron or positron, once heated must be offering nearly
immortal thermal dynamics.

Small black holes evaportate more quickly than large ones.

Double-A

Not quite sure what that means, in terms of EH internal temperature.

On Feb 3, 5:40*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 3, 1:53*pm, Double-A wrote:









On Feb 2, 3:24*pm, "G=EMC^2" wrote:

On Feb 2, 10:55*am, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 2/2/13 7:55 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 1, 9:04 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/1/13 7:28 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

Or, a BH could just as easily be 1e6 K, because no IR or any other
spectrum can escape.

* * That BH would have a mass of 1.2e+14 Metric Tons
* * And a lifetime of 4.9e+27 years

An electron is how hot?

* *Must be measured. Try not to be stooopid, Guth.

Sam *How do you measure a BH temp? What type of themometer do you
use"?

Rectal?

How close do you have to be for a good measurement. Keep in mind
gravity can make stuff very *hot(trillions of F) *Its in Google. The
small black hole of a few solar masses is a millionyh of a degree
above zero. * Reality is stuff that did not go into a black hole as
seen from a great distance leads us to think it came out of the BH.
Get the picture *Best to keep in mind a BH with a mass a billion times
a solar mass would have a temperate so close to absolute zero it can
be said to have no heat.. It would in reality be wiped out by spaces
2.7K *All wave functions are 0 inside a black hole. You can not get
any information from a BH. * Looks like Treb and I have BH nailed
TreBert

Yes, nailed! *So why did you ask the question?

Double-A

Why would the innards of a BH become cold?

More gravity more cold. TreBert

On Feb 3, 5:47*pm, Double-A wrote:
On Feb 3, 2:39*pm, Brad Guth wrote:









On Feb 3, 1:49*pm, Double-A wrote:

On Feb 2, 2:17*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 2, 12:40*pm, Double-A wrote:

On Feb 2, 5:55*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 1, 9:04*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 2/1/13 7:28 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

Or, a BH could just as easily be 1e6 K, because no IR or any other
spectrum can escape.

* *That BH would have a mass of 1.2e+14 Metric Tons
* *And a lifetime of 4.9e+27 years

An electron is how hot?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_temperature

Double-A

Thanks for that reminder. *In other words, electrons and/or positrons
can get extremely hot, and because of their singularity size of
essentially zero volume,

How do you know that?

they could easily stay hot for a trillion
years.

John Archibald Wheeler was big on this elemetary particles as black
holes theory, but he gave up on it. *Maybe you should too.

Double-A

Big stuff cools off rather nicely, although smaller stuff like WDs are
taking next to forever to cool off. *Therefore the quantum singularity
of the electron or positron, once heated must be offering nearly
immortal thermal dynamics.

Small black holes evaportate more quickly than large ones.

Double-A

No evidence that shows this is reality TreBert

On Feb 5, 4:37*am, "G=EMC^2" wrote:
On Feb 3, 5:40*pm, Brad Guth wrote:









On Feb 3, 1:53*pm, Double-A wrote:

On Feb 2, 3:24*pm, "G=EMC^2" wrote:

On Feb 2, 10:55*am, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 2/2/13 7:55 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 1, 9:04 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/1/13 7:28 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

Or, a BH could just as easily be 1e6 K, because no IR or any other
spectrum can escape.

* * That BH would have a mass of 1.2e+14 Metric Tons
* * And a lifetime of 4.9e+27 years

An electron is how hot?

* *Must be measured. Try not to be stooopid, Guth.

Sam *How do you measure a BH temp? What type of themometer do you
use"?

Rectal?

How close do you have to be for a good measurement. Keep in mind
gravity can make stuff very *hot(trillions of F) *Its in Google.. The
small black hole of a few solar masses is a millionyh of a degree
above zero. * Reality is stuff that did not go into a black hole as
seen from a great distance leads us to think it came out of the BH.
Get the picture *Best to keep in mind a BH with a mass a billion times
a solar mass would have a temperate so close to absolute zero it can
be said to have no heat.. It would in reality be wiped out by spaces
2.7K *All wave functions are 0 inside a black hole. You can not get
any information from a BH. * Looks like Treb and I have BH nailed
TreBert

Yes, nailed! *So why did you ask the question?

Double-A

Why would the innards of a BH become cold?

More gravity more cold. *TreBert

However, the observed universe tells us that the smaller the item the
longer it takes to cool off, because really big stuff has no problems
getting rid of its heat.

A red dwarf star can be good to go for a trillion years before giving
up, if ever.

What percentage of a red dwarf is going to be that of a solid or fluid
hot core?

Some white dwarfs are supposedly solid carbon (aka diamond), and
because of their relatively small size, they seem to have a very long
cooling off period.

Th232 has a half life of 14.05 billion years, suggesting that any
fission core of thorium isn't going to cool off any too fast,
especially if it's surrounded by a substantial planet along with
having a thick insulative atmosphere (like Venus).

On Feb 5, 5:17*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 5, 4:37*am, "G=EMC^2" wrote:





On Feb 3, 5:40*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 3, 1:53*pm, Double-A wrote:

On Feb 2, 3:24*pm, "G=EMC^2" wrote:

On Feb 2, 10:55*am, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 2/2/13 7:55 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 1, 9:04 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/1/13 7:28 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

Or, a BH could just as easily be 1e6 K, because no IR or any other
spectrum can escape.

* * That BH would have a mass of 1.2e+14 Metric Tons
* * And a lifetime of 4.9e+27 years

An electron is how hot?

* *Must be measured. Try not to be stooopid, Guth.

Sam *How do you measure a BH temp? What type of themometer do you
use"?

Rectal?

How close do you have to be for a good measurement. Keep in mind
gravity can make stuff very *hot(trillions of F) *Its in Google. The
small black hole of a few solar masses is a millionyh of a degree
above zero. * Reality is stuff that did not go into a black hole as
seen from a great distance leads us to think it came out of the BH.
Get the picture *Best to keep in mind a BH with a mass a billion times
a solar mass would have a temperate so close to absolute zero it can
be said to have no heat.. It would in reality be wiped out by spaces
2.7K *All wave functions are 0 inside a black hole. You can not get
any information from a BH. * Looks like Treb and I have BH nailed
TreBert

Yes, nailed! *So why did you ask the question?

Double-A

Why would the innards of a BH become cold?

More gravity more cold. *TreBert

However, the observed universe tells us that the smaller the item the
longer it takes to cool off, because really big stuff has no problems
getting rid of its heat.

A red dwarf star can be good to go for a trillion years before giving
up, if ever.

What percentage of a red dwarf is going to be that of a solid or fluid
hot core?

Some white dwarfs are supposedly solid carbon (aka diamond), and
because of their relatively small size, they seem to have a very long
cooling off period.

Th232 has a half life of 14.05 billion years, suggesting that any
fission core of thorium isn't going to cool off any too fast,
especially if it's surrounded by a substantial planet along with
having a thick insulative atmosphere (like Venus).


So how come a small coffee cools off faster than a large coffee?

Double-A

On Feb 6, 3:02*pm, Double-A wrote:
On Feb 5, 5:17*am, Brad Guth wrote:









On Feb 5, 4:37*am, "G=EMC^2" wrote:

On Feb 3, 5:40*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 3, 1:53*pm, Double-A wrote:

On Feb 2, 3:24*pm, "G=EMC^2" wrote:

On Feb 2, 10:55*am, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 2/2/13 7:55 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 1, 9:04 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/1/13 7:28 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

Or, a BH could just as easily be 1e6 K, because no IR or any other
spectrum can escape.

* * That BH would have a mass of 1.2e+14 Metric Tons
* * And a lifetime of 4.9e+27 years

An electron is how hot?

* *Must be measured. Try not to be stooopid, Guth.

Sam *How do you measure a BH temp? What type of themometer do you
use"?

Rectal?

How close do you have to be for a good measurement. Keep in mind
gravity can make stuff very *hot(trillions of F) *Its in Google. The
small black hole of a few solar masses is a millionyh of a degree
above zero. * Reality is stuff that did not go into a black hole as
seen from a great distance leads us to think it came out of the BH.
Get the picture *Best to keep in mind a BH with a mass a billion times
a solar mass would have a temperate so close to absolute zero it can
be said to have no heat.. It would in reality be wiped out by spaces
2.7K *All wave functions are 0 inside a black hole. You can not get
any information from a BH. * Looks like Treb and I have BH nailed
TreBert

Yes, nailed! *So why did you ask the question?

Double-A

Why would the innards of a BH become cold?

More gravity more cold. *TreBert

However, the observed universe tells us that the smaller the item the
longer it takes to cool off, because really big stuff has no problems
getting rid of its heat.

A red dwarf star can be good to go for a trillion years before giving
up, if ever.

What percentage of a red dwarf is going to be that of a solid or fluid
hot core?

Some white dwarfs are supposedly solid carbon (aka diamond), and
because of their relatively small size, they seem to have a very long
cooling off period.

Th232 has a half life of 14.05 billion years, suggesting that any
fission core of thorium isn't going to cool off any too fast,
especially if it's surrounded by a substantial planet along with
having a thick insulative atmosphere (like Venus).

So how come a small coffee cools off faster than a large coffee?

Double-A

Right, what's up with that?

Mass has a consideration. If your small coffee were all neutrons, it
would probably stay hot for trillions upon trillions of years, not to
mention its mass sinking it to the very core of Earth.

On 2/3/13 5:37 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 3, 2:47 pm, Double-A wrote:
..

Small black holes evaportate more quickly than large ones.

Double-A

Not quite sure what that means, in terms of EH internal temperature.


The temperature where BH evaporation can occur is

temperature = (c^3 h)/(16 k π^2 G M)

On 2/6/13 5:20 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
If your small coffee were all neutrons, it would probably stay hot
for trillions upon trillions of years, not to mention its mass
sinking it to the very core of Earth.

If something is going to be essentially all neutrons, its mass must be

1.44 Mass 2.9 solar masses

On 2/3/13 12:02 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
Supposedly mass never vanishes, but it does change its form between
energy, aether and mass.

No, Brad, there is no aether.

On 2/2/13 11:34 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
Electrons are also very much like the singularity of a black hole.

No Brad, electrons are nothing like Black Holes.