No Significant Relief from Global Warming

On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 12:20:00 -0500, Bill wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:25:31 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc wrote:

On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 4:46:04 PM UTC-7, Rodney Pont wrote:

It's not just producing co2 that matters. If we used more wood for
things and less metals it would help. I was at my doctors last week and
the couch had a wooden frame. That's carbon that's not in the
atmosphere and a lot less was created making the frame than would have
been if it had needed metal.

Wooden objects usually have to be shaped by *human hands*. Whereas metal
objects can be cast or stamped. So that makes them much more expensive,
unless they're imported from a low-wage country, and _then_ they cost
foreign exchange.

John Savard

A lot of wood products are CNC machined.

I can't think of any mass produced wood products that aren't made by
fully automated, computerized equipment. Even wooden furniture that
might be assembled by cheap foreign labor still has all its components
machined.

Chris L Peterson wrote in
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 08:44:48 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:

Not until they can do everything that people use gasoline cars
for. Which they don't, and won't, for a long, long time, if
ever.

They already do more than gasoline cars in most of the ways that
cars are used.

Are you really so ****ing stupid that you don't know the difference
between "most" and "all"? Apparently so.

Dumbass.

We don't have to hope. Electric cars are already cheaper

No, they're not. The same model is more expensive, even *with*
the subsidies. Retard.

Only because of the economies of scale. Not because of anything
intrinsic to the designs.

You specifically claimed they were *already* cheaper. It's still
quoted right there, up above. You were wrong, and not only wrong,
but completely, utterly full of ****.

Dumbass.

And refueling time. Especially on long trips.

Again, that's only relevant to a small fraction of automobile
usage.

Back to being too ****ing stupid to know the difference between
"most" and "all," I see.

And there are already solutions.

No. There aren't.


And the development pace is
rapid. The technological risks here are very small.

But the laws of physics are immutable. Three megawatt charger to
add enoguh miles of drivign to match gasoline.

Your numbers are outdated.

So three megawatts is now somehow less than three megawatts?

No, physics isn't outdated. Dumbass.

And ignore the addition of local
power generation, which is coming along nicely.

So now everybody has to install a three megawatt generator in their
garage? Including people who don't *have* a garage?

Dumbass.

Shared ownership achieves similar goals.

If ridesharing were going to catch on, it would have in the 70s.

I'm not talking about ride sharing.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You're too ****ing
stupid to know the difference between "most" and "all," or "cheaper
now" and "more expensive now, but we hope it will come down."

Dumbass.

--
Terry Austin

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Chris L Peterson wrote in
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 08:32:11 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:

Unless you manufactured everything yourself, yes, the
manufacturers were subsidized.

They were not.

Yes, they were, retard. They *all* are.

But, since you're too ****ing stupid to know the difference between
"most" and "all," there really isn't much point in reading the rest
of your retarded drivel. All that's left is pointing and laughing at
the 'tard. (That's you: the 'tard.)

Dumbass.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Bill wrote in
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On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:25:31 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc wrote:

On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 4:46:04 PM UTC-7, Rodney Pont
wrote:

It's not just producing co2 that matters. If we used more wood
for things and less metals it would help. I was at my doctors
last week and the couch had a wooden frame. That's carbon
that's not in the atmosphere and a lot less was created making
the frame than would have been if it had needed metal.

Wooden objects usually have to be shaped by *human hands*.
Whereas metal objects can be cast or stamped. So that makes
them much more expensive, unless they're imported from a
low-wage country, and _then_ they cost foreign exchange.

John Savard

A lot of wood products are CNC machined.

Not until they're loaded into the machine, by hand. And CNC machines
are mighty expensive.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Chris L Peterson wrote in
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 12:20:00 -0500, Bill
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:25:31 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc wrote:

On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 4:46:04 PM UTC-7, Rodney Pont
wrote:

It's not just producing co2 that matters. If we used more
wood for things and less metals it would help. I was at my
doctors last week and the couch had a wooden frame. That's
carbon that's not in the atmosphere and a lot less was
created making the frame than would have been if it had
needed metal.

Wooden objects usually have to be shaped by *human hands*.
Whereas metal objects can be cast or stamped. So that makes
them much more expensive, unless they're imported from a
low-wage country, and _then_ they cost foreign exchange.

John Savard

A lot of wood products are CNC machined.

I can't think

Yeah, I've noticed.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Chris L Peterson wrote in
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:19:55 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:

You seem to be coming unhinged.

I'm only imitating you. You're the one who doesn't know the
difference between "most" and "all," and who makes claims they know
are false about the price of eletric cars (which is to say, you lie).

That's what happens when the
terminally dogmatic are faced with truths which contradict their
irrational view of reality.

You just described yourself perfectly. The first step to recovery is
admitting you have a problem!

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Chris L Peterson wrote in
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:21:58 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Kujisalimisha wrote:

Bill wrote in
:

On Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:25:31 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc wrote:

On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 4:46:04 PM UTC-7, Rodney Pont
wrote:

It's not just producing co2 that matters. If we used more
wood for things and less metals it would help. I was at my
doctors last week and the couch had a wooden frame. That's
carbon that's not in the atmosphere and a lot less was
created making the frame than would have been if it had
needed metal.

Wooden objects usually have to be shaped by *human hands*.
Whereas metal objects can be cast or stamped. So that makes
them much more expensive, unless they're imported from a
low-wage country, and _then_ they cost foreign exchange.

John Savard

A lot of wood products are CNC machined.

Not until they're loaded into the machine, by hand. And CNC
machines are mighty expensive.

CNC machines are essentially free when you look at the economics
of mass production.

Then why won't they deliver one without a very large wire transfer?

Dumbass.

--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:04:36 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:

I think that solar is capable of producing vastly more energy than
nuclear. It is solar that will gift us with abundant energy (although
that's no reason not to be as efficient as technology will permit).

Solar takes up a lot of ground area. Thus, for unit of energy
produced, it has environmental impacts, though those are
relatively gentle... and it competes directly with food
production. Or imperils delicate desert ecosystems, take your
pick. (And think of the huge power lines needed if you pick the
latter.)

John Savard

On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:23:54 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:04:36 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:

I think that solar is capable of producing vastly more energy than
nuclear. It is solar that will gift us with abundant energy (although
that's no reason not to be as efficient as technology will permit).

Solar takes up a lot of ground area. Thus, for unit of energy
produced, it has environmental impacts, though those are
relatively gentle... and it competes directly with food
production. Or imperils delicate desert ecosystems, take your
pick. (And think of the huge power lines needed if you pick the
latter.)

There is a lot of environmentally low value land. And an awful lot of
energy production can be accomplished locally. Most residential and
private transportation energy, for instance, can be accommodated
through rooftop systems. None of this requires technology that is more
than normal development from what we have now, or is more than a
couple of decades out.

On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:19:55 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
wrote:

You seem to be coming unhinged. That's what happens when the
terminally dogmatic are faced with truths which contradict their
irrational view of reality.