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I would agree...but...the people I am talking about WERE saving for the
traditional APOs. After the Orion 80ED, they will be spending their money on other things...NOT other APOs. TMT |
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I would agree BUT many times the urge to buy a specific scope pales
once you have something that is 95% of the original. Of all the owners of the Chinese 80EDs, only two are still planning on upgrading later. The others are satisfied with the performance they are receiving and are spending their money on mount upgrades, eyepieces and such. I expect to see this same trend when the 100 ED scopes are more available. TMT |
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I tend to agree. Perhaps when there wasn't a heavy supplier of a variety of
cheap but fairly good quality refractors, those that might wish for one would have been pushed into getting a high-end refractor instead. Now that there is a choice, the sales for the high-enders has probably slackened off a bit, but only for those that were forced to consider them when the buyers were really thinking medium to low-priced instruments. -- Sincerely, --- Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- It don't mean a thing unless it has that certain "je ne sais quoi" Duke Ellington ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ed T" wrote in message ink.net... "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message As I mentioned in the other post, there seem to be indications that the Chinese refractors are affecting sales of the traditional producers of the high end refractors. I think you're right, some will opt for the 80ED instead of the high enders. But long term there will be those who get their feet wet with the Orion and decide to upgrade. I think an entry level apochromat is good for the premium makers. Ed T. |
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message I would agree BUT many times the urge to buy a specific scope pales once you have something that is 95% of the original. Of all the owners of the Chinese 80EDs, only two are still planning on upgrading later. The others are satisfied with the performance they are receiving and are spending their money on mount upgrades, eyepieces and such. I expect to see this same trend when the 100 ED scopes are more available. Here's a couple of star photos taken through the two Orion scopes: http://www.pbase.com/mataylor/image/39280632 http://www.pbase.com/mataylor/image/39280630 Ed T. |
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Nice images Ed, and they show that these inexpensive scopes can generate decent
images. But where did the dark spikes come from in the second image? -- Sincerely, --- Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- It don't mean a thing unless it has that certain "je ne sais quoi" Duke Ellington ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ed T" wrote in message ink.net... "Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message I would agree BUT many times the urge to buy a specific scope pales once you have something that is 95% of the original. Of all the owners of the Chinese 80EDs, only two are still planning on upgrading later. The others are satisfied with the performance they are receiving and are spending their money on mount upgrades, eyepieces and such. I expect to see this same trend when the 100 ED scopes are more available. Here's a couple of star photos taken through the two Orion scopes: http://www.pbase.com/mataylor/image/39280632 http://www.pbase.com/mataylor/image/39280630 Ed T. |
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"David Nakamoto" wrote in message news:YjfMd.1878$uc.1039@trnddc05... Nice images Ed, and they show that these inexpensive scopes can generate decent images. But where did the dark spikes come from in the second image? I found the link on the Yahoo refractors group. Roland C. said they were likely the result of the lens spacers extending into the light path, perhaps exacerbated by a bit of turned down edge. Regards, Ed T. |
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Actually you couldn't have seen the correct wholesale price and then
say its far below because its not. Sorry a dealer has to buy something and sit on till its sold and you need a margin in the 35-40% range to make any real profit and these scopes are not coming in that cheap when sold for $399. At $499 the profit is there and reasonable. Next time you troll don't bother because that is all this is. If you want to say that you think they should be cheaper than say so don't pussy foot around. Too_Many_Tools wrote: I too have seen the "actual" price of these scopes....it is far below $399. The dealers also have a much greater profit margin in this type of the refractor than its high end competitor. As for "complicated legal agreements", I think you have just noted the problem we are really seeing. The importers are taking great pains to keep the prices up in the market. From what I am seeing, the cheaper refractors are affecting the market for the higher end scopes. I know of seven user in our own little club who were saving for a high end refractor but now have purchased a Chinese 80ED. They are very happy with their purchases and will not be buying another. Those buyers represent lost sales to the companies that would have normally have sold a high end APO refractor. TMT |
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"If you want to say that you think they should be cheaper than say s=ADo
don't pussy foot around. " No trolling here but I think you need to read the title of this thread.... "Cheapest Place To Buy a 80ED Refractor" Seems like that is what I am saying.... alot cheaper. There is plenty of profit margin at $399. Do you really think the vendor selling at $399 is doing it for free? "you need a margin in the 35-40%=AD range to make any real profit" Real profit? Try alot more. Plenty of room for discounts. Refractors are going to get much cheaper in the future. TMT |
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You seem to think they should do it for free so you can get a better
price. This is a troll sorry you won't admit it because if you know the wholesale pricing then you know someone who will sell it to you for that and stop bothering the rest of the world with complaining there are no discounts. And don't try to tell me what real profit is I am a manufacturer. BYE BYE TROLL |
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Sir, it sounds like you are the one who is the troll....and a worried
one at that. Whether you are a manufacturer is very doubtful, much more likely a vendor who is worried about his profit margins shrinking further than it has already. Well, get used to it. Your competition is already selling product cheaper and cheaper. Do you think Orion is happy about the Skywatcher discount of 20%? It is the first of many to come. And who said anything about wholesale pricing, let's talk about actual production cost. If you are a manufacturer, care to tell us what your actual production cost is for a 80ED refractor? ;) |
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