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Old October 7th 07, 01:53 PM posted to sci.space.policy,rec.arts.sf.science,sci.space.station
Space Cadet[_1_]
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Hi All
Got this email from a friend of mine:

Hi all, I am working on a new lesson for my second graders focusing on Moon Laws. If YOU were given the task of creating a constitution, laws, bill of rights for people in a future lunar colony what would YOU include? I'd love to have your input! Thanks,


My first thought is that doesn't the OST say or at least imply that
the country that launches an object/probe/spacecraft is responsible
for said object? And whatever rule of law applies to that country
would apply to said object?
Even if you would go with a privately funded moon colony. That
company would be based on some nation on Earth, and whatever laws
apply to that country would apply to the colony?
What about an international colony, would it be the country that funds
most of the colony? Or do international laws/treaties apply hear?
What is the setup for ISS?


Just my $0.02

Space Cadet

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Moon Society - St. Louis Chapter

http://www.moonsociety.org/chapters/stlouis/

The Moon Society is a non-profit educational and
scientific foundation formed to further scientific
study and development of the moon.

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Old October 7th 07, 07:40 PM posted to sci.space.policy,rec.arts.sf.science,sci.space.station
Logan Kearsley
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"Space Cadet" wrote in message
ps.com...
Hi All
Got this email from a friend of mine:

Hi all, I am working on a new lesson for my second graders focusing on
Moon Laws. If YOU were given the task of creating a constitution, laws,
bill of rights for people in a future lunar colony what would YOU
include? I'd love to have your input! Thanks,


My first thought is that doesn't the OST say or at least imply that
the country that launches an object/probe/spacecraft is responsible
for said object? And whatever rule of law applies to that country
would apply to said object?
Even if you would go with a privately funded moon colony. That
company would be based on some nation on Earth, and whatever laws
apply to that country would apply to the colony?


Yes, but... that doesn't mean that the people living in the colony have to
agree with the Earthlings who signed that treaty. They could just declare
themselves soveriegn and say "*we* never signed the OST, so bugger off". Or,
if they don't form an independent nation, there's still nothing to stop the
originating nation from passing new space-specific laws different from those
that operate in their territory on Earth.

What about an international colony, would it be the country that funds
most of the colony? Or do international laws/treaties apply hear?
What is the setup for ISS?


-l.
------------------------------------
My inbox is a sacred shrine, none shall enter that are not worthy.


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Old October 7th 07, 08:19 PM posted to sci.space.policy,rec.arts.sf.science,sci.space.station
BradGuth
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On Oct 7, 11:40 am, "Logan Kearsley"
wrote:
"Space Cadet" wrote in message

ps.com...

Hi All
Got this email from a friend of mine:


Hi all, I am working on a new lesson for my second graders focusing on
Moon Laws. If YOU were given the task of creating a constitution, laws,
bill of rights for people in a future lunar colony what would YOU
include? I'd love to have your input! Thanks,


My first thought is that doesn't the OST say or at least imply that
the country that launches an object/probe/spacecraft is responsible
for said object? And whatever rule of law applies to that country
would apply to said object?
Even if you would go with a privately funded moon colony. That
company would be based on some nation on Earth, and whatever laws
apply to that country would apply to the colony?


Yes, but... that doesn't mean that the people living in the colony have to
agree with the Earthlings who signed that treaty. They could just declare
themselves soveriegn and say "*we* never signed the OST, so bugger off". Or,
if they don't form an independent nation, there's still nothing to stop the
originating nation from passing new space-specific laws different from those
that operate in their territory on Earth.


China and possily a small share dominated by India will most likely be
in charge of that moon and of its L1. Get used to it.

If we're lucky and being nice for a change, our NASA might get a
tethered access (for a fee paid to China) to utilize the moon's L2.
- Brad Guth -

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Old October 7th 07, 08:37 PM posted to sci.space.policy,rec.arts.sf.science,sci.space.station
David Johnston
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 05:53:10 -0700, Space Cadet
wrote:

Hi All
Got this email from a friend of mine:

Hi all, I am working on a new lesson for my second graders focusing on Moon Laws. If YOU were given the task of creating a constitution, laws, bill of rights for people in a future lunar colony what would YOU include? I'd love to have your input! Thanks,


My first thought is that doesn't the OST say or at least imply that
the country that launches an object/probe/spacecraft is responsible
for said object? And whatever rule of law applies to that country
would apply to said object?


Until the object declares independance, sure. Even before then
though, the local administration would probably have to make a few
laws that don't apply on earth. For example, laws against wasting air
or failing to use all the handholds when descending a vertical tube
(because you might pick up too much speed and collide with someone
below you.)
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Old October 8th 07, 03:50 AM posted to sci.space.policy,rec.arts.sf.science,sci.space.station
M. Trimble
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 05:53:10 -0700, Space Cadet wrote:

Hi All
Got this email from a friend of mine:

Hi all, I am working on a new lesson for my second graders focusing on
Moon Laws. If YOU were given the task of creating a constitution, laws,
bill of rights for people in a future lunar colony what would YOU
include? I'd love to have your input! Thanks,


My first thought is that doesn't the OST say or at least imply that the
country that launches an object/probe/spacecraft is responsible for said
object? And whatever rule of law applies to that country would apply to
said object?
Even if you would go with a privately funded moon colony. That company
would be based on some nation on Earth, and whatever laws apply to that
country would apply to the colony? What about an international colony,
would it be the country that funds most of the colony? Or do international
laws/treaties apply hear? What is the setup for ISS?


Just my $0.02

Space Cadet

derwetzelsDASHspacecadetATyahooDOTcom


Moon Society - St. Louis Chapter

http://www.moonsociety.org/chapters/stlouis/

The Moon Society is a non-profit educational and scientific foundation
formed to further scientific study and development of the moon.


Why are you concerned with the concrete in favor of the abstract?
A hypothetical constitution for a lunar sovereignty, irrespective of it's
earthly heritage, has the potential to set forth grandiosee generalities
regarding human behavior. And you're concerned where the laws come from????
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Old October 8th 07, 07:09 AM posted to sci.space.policy,rec.arts.sf.science,sci.space.station
Mike Dworetsky
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"Space Cadet" wrote in message
ps.com...
Hi All
Got this email from a friend of mine:

Hi all, I am working on a new lesson for my second graders focusing on
Moon Laws. If YOU were given the task of creating a constitution, laws,
bill of rights for people in a future lunar colony what would YOU
include? I'd love to have your input! Thanks,


My first thought is that doesn't the OST say or at least imply that
the country that launches an object/probe/spacecraft is responsible
for said object? And whatever rule of law applies to that country
would apply to said object?
Even if you would go with a privately funded moon colony. That
company would be based on some nation on Earth, and whatever laws
apply to that country would apply to the colony?
What about an international colony, would it be the country that funds
most of the colony? Or do international laws/treaties apply hear?
What is the setup for ISS?


Just my $0.02

Space Cadet

derwetzelsDASHspacecadetATyahooDOTcom


Moon Society - St. Louis Chapter

http://www.moonsociety.org/chapters/stlouis/

The Moon Society is a non-profit educational and
scientific foundation formed to further scientific
study and development of the moon.


Given that any puncture of a habitat or space suit is potentially fatal for
all inhabitants, I'd definitely include in the constitution or body of law a
ban on private ownership of firearms.

--
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)

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Old October 8th 07, 08:09 AM posted to sci.space.policy,rec.arts.sf.science,sci.space.station
David Johnston
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On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:09:05 +0100, "Mike Dworetsky"
wrote:

"Space Cadet" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi All
Got this email from a friend of mine:

Hi all, I am working on a new lesson for my second graders focusing on
Moon Laws. If YOU were given the task of creating a constitution, laws,
bill of rights for people in a future lunar colony what would YOU
include? I'd love to have your input! Thanks,


My first thought is that doesn't the OST say or at least imply that
the country that launches an object/probe/spacecraft is responsible
for said object? And whatever rule of law applies to that country
would apply to said object?
Even if you would go with a privately funded moon colony. That
company would be based on some nation on Earth, and whatever laws
apply to that country would apply to the colony?
What about an international colony, would it be the country that funds
most of the colony? Or do international laws/treaties apply hear?
What is the setup for ISS?


Just my $0.02

Space Cadet

derwetzelsDASHspacecadetATyahooDOTcom


Moon Society - St. Louis Chapter

http://www.moonsociety.org/chapters/stlouis/

The Moon Society is a non-profit educational and
scientific foundation formed to further scientific
study and development of the moon.


Given that any puncture of a habitat or space suit is potentially fatal for
all inhabitants, I'd definitely include in the constitution or body of law a
ban on private ownership of firearms.


And a guarantee of the right to bear swords. Swords are cool.
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Old October 8th 07, 11:36 AM posted to sci.space.policy,rec.arts.sf.science,sci.space.station
BernardZ[_2_]
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In article om, kaw211
@gmail.com says...
Even if you would go with a privately funded moon colony. That
company would be based on some nation on Earth, and whatever laws
apply to that country would apply to the colony?


Worst case the company could pick the country that it was based on like
ships do today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberian_Companies



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Old October 8th 07, 12:45 PM posted to sci.space.policy,rec.arts.sf.science,sci.space.station
Space Cadet[_1_]
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On Oct 7, 1:40 pm, "Logan Kearsley" wrote:
Yes, but... that doesn't mean that the people living in the colony have to
agree with the Earthlings who signed that treaty. They could just declare
themselves soveriegn and say "*we* never signed the OST, so bugger off". Or,
if they don't form an independent nation, there's still nothing to stop the
originating nation from passing new space-specific laws different from those
that operate in their territory on Earth.


-l.
------------------------------------
My inbox is a sacred shrine, none shall enter that are not worthy.


I'm guessing, who their Sovereignecy(sp) be reconized by anyone
else? Since the formation of the UN, has there be a case of a former
colony declaring itself independence? What mechanisms are in place at
the UN to reconize a new country. The only new country that comes
mind off the top of my head is Israel and there has been 'some'
controversy over its formation ;^)
I don't see any problem with Laws that are specific to life on a
colony, like maybe an Air/Oxygen/life support tax, thou I could see a
few that might become controversal back home, like for a Lunar colony
to become more selfsufficent it might decide to legalize the growing
of hemp for all its useful by products. Also maybe to increase
tourism, some intrepid explorer(s) might discover that zero gee sex is
overrated and Lunar gravity is where its at! ;^)

Just my $0.02

Space Cadet

derwetzelsDASHspacecadetATyahooDOTcom


Moon Society - St. Louis Chapter

http://www.moonsociety.org/chapters/stlouis/

The Moon Society is a non-profit educational and
scientific foundation formed to further scientific
study and development of the moon.


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Old October 8th 07, 02:09 PM posted to sci.space.policy,rec.arts.sf.science,sci.space.station
Fred J. McCall
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BernardZ wrote:
:
:Worst case the company could pick the country that it was based on like
:ships do today.
:

In the case of space, that doesn't save you unless all your people are
willing to give up their citizenship.


--
"It's always different. It's always complex. But at some point,
somebody has to draw the line. And that somebody is always me....
I am the law."
-- Buffy, The Vampire Slayer
 




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