What Would Deke Do #2 ?

"Bill Taxbox" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:54:09 GMT, Bruce Palmer
wrote:
If you want to get opinons on what people _think_ Deke would have done
when faced with the sudden necessity of having to make a crew change,
that's fine. There are a trmendous number of permutations that _could_
have happened not all of which, I might add, would have necessarily
involved fatalities that resulted from driving Corvettes.
THe point I'm trying to make is this: Do you think a rookie, which
Haise was, would have flown the first lunar landing attempt?
Why not? The CDR was the one who actually piloted the LM, the LMP's job was
primarily reading off the instrumentation to him.

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 08:41:19 -0400, Bill Taxbox
wrote:

THe point I'm trying to make is this: Do you think a rookie, which
Haise was, would have flown the first lunar landing attempt?

....In Fredo's case, he was the stronger candidate. Remember, each LM
had it's own modifications specific to the mission, and Fredo had been
in the sim specific for this mission. Rookie or not, he would have
moved up to the prime crew and there would have been two Dryden pilots
on the Moon.

....Of course, things would have not gone quite as well for Fredo in
later years. He'd have to undergo a trial for manslaughter after he
beats Bart Sibrel to death, not realizing that in some cases the
reason a CT nutter is the whacko he is doesn't necessarily result from
having a *thick* skull. He's later aquitted after the jury, over the
prosecution's objections, watches that bull**** Fox special and hears
the testimony from Jim Oberg and Phill Plait that tears Sibrel's case
a new asshole so wide you could drive an oil tanker through it.
However, Sibrel's family is apparently located by the prosecution, and
once an English-Inbred translator is brought in, they're convinced to
file civil charges against Fredo for the loss of their loved one who
never did anything for them in the first place. As the ATL follows our
time progression, the trial should hit the jury in a couple of weeks.

OM

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Michael Cassutt wrote...
In the scenario you offered -- a need to replace Aldrin with a few wees
before
launch --

Bad typing on my part. Delete "with" and make your own joke about "wees"
(especially relevant, given what Col. Aldrin did on the Moon....

No, it was *before* launch, so that would implicate Gagarin et. al.

- Peter

"Bill Taxbox" wrote in message
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On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:54:09 GMT, Bruce Palmer
wrote:

If you want to get opinons on what people _think_ Deke would have done
when faced with the sudden necessity of having to make a crew change,
that's fine. There are a trmendous number of permutations that _could_
have happened not all of which, I might add, would have necessarily
involved fatalities that resulted from driving Corvettes.

The point I'm trying to make is this:
Do you think a rookie, which Haise was,
would have flown the first lunar landing attempt?

He would have definitely been a candidate on a very short list of LM pilots.
I will assume that Deke would not place 2 commanders (e.g. Armstrong /
Stafford or McDivitt) on mission, but
would use Apollo designated or trained LM pilots. The four likely LM pilots
to be considered a

Fred W. Haise, Jr., (backup for Apollo 11 LM pilot, planned LM for original
Apollo 14 designation) - rookie
William A. Anders (Apollo 8, backup CM for Apollo 11) - already been in
moon, but without LM. Current CM backup for Collins.
Eugene A. Cernan (Apollo 10) - Lunar orbit with LM, shake-down & dress
rehearsal. Planned rotation to backup CM
Edgar D. Mitchell (original Apollo 13 designation, backup for Apollo 10) -
rookie
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Yes. Haise is the top candidate -- since he is the Apollo 11 backup LM --
and knows the mission plan (even though a rookie)
(This logic was later proved with the Apollo 13 CM change -- less than two
weeks before the flight)

Toss-up between Anders and Cernan for different reasons - both had lunar
flight experience - if flight experience (rookie) eliminates Haise

Anders was familiar with the Apollo 11 flight plan, but is CM backup for
Apollo 11.
Cernan would be familiar with portions of the plan, had Gemini experience
likely Aldrin - BUT just returned from the Apollo 10 mission

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Other LM candidates:
R. Walter Cunningham (Apollo 7 Co-pilot) - designated co-pilot, since LM
unavailable - unlikely
Russell L. Schweickart (Apollo 9 LM) - Earth orbit with LM, never assigned
to other Apollo moon missions (backup or prime)
Alan L. Bean (Apollo 12 LM) - unlikely to pulled out of current flight
rotation for next flight
David Scott (Apollo 12 CDR backup) - Gemini 8 flight experience with
Armstrong, not in LM pilot sequence - unlikely to be pulled from CDR
rotation
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