Apollo: One gas environment?

On Thu, 6 May 2004 02:47:06 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
wrote:

jeff findley writes:

I've heard that in the US, this is one reason why kerosene (for
heating) and diesel (for driving) are different colors. I understand
you can get into trouble in the US if you're caught using kerosene in
your diesel engine of your vehicle.

No, kerosene and Diesel ARE quite different. Now, Diesel and "#2
Heat" are far closer, but the heating fuel lacks mumble-Cetanes that
the Diesel has.

....Not according to some DoT officials down here in Texas. The issue
came up back in the 70's when OPEC decided to rape our economy, and
there were some truckers caught using cheaper kerosene to mix with
their diesel to cut their gas costs. At the time it was declared
illegal - at least in Texas - to fuel a vehicle with a substance
that's not supposed to be used with that particular vehicle. Of
course, alternative fuel source conversions are legal, such as
propane, hydrogen or electric, but pouring some cheaper gasoline
derivatve into your Ford's gas tank is very illegal even if it doesn't
turn your engine into sludge.

....On a side note, its also a reason those "safe" emergency fuel
substitutes you could "safely" store in your trunk that would give you
about three gallons of motivation to hopefully get you to a gas
station if you were too stupid to watch the gas guage and/or the gauge
was broken and you didn't count the miles properly. Since it wasn't
gas, the DoT declared it a no-no in Texas.
OM

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"Neil Gerace" wrote in message
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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote in
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Well, he specifically said "diesel", not generic "road tax" etc.

It's not a road tax, it's a fuel tax which pays for roads. It's a good
system because you pay more if you use the roads more.

Sorry, meant to say "fuel".

On Thu, 06 May 2004 01:08:52 -0600, OM
om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote:

...Yes, you did. And I believe Pat wants to talk to you about stealing
his lines.

Hmmm, I picked that one up on a hellish summer farm job almost 30
years ago. But come to think of it, there was a guy working there
named Pat...

Dale

"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote in message
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Sorry, meant to say "fuel".

Oh, OK

"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote ...
"Neil Gerace" wrote ...
"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote ...

Well, he specifically said "diesel", not generic "road tax" etc.

It's not a road tax, it's a fuel tax which pays for roads. It's a good
system because you pay more if you use the roads more.

Sorry, meant to say "fuel".

Obviously petrol is taxed / dutied as well - but not for the same amount.
IIRC, diesel is 'nicer' and so has less tacked on.

In article ,
Kevin Willoughby writes:
In article ,
says...
I've heard that in the US, this is one reason why kerosene (for
heating) and diesel (for driving) are different colors. I understand
you can get into trouble in the US if you're caught using kerosene in
your diesel engine of your vehicle.

Close, but it is heating fuel oil and diesel that differ only in taxes
and dyed color. Kerosene isn't generally used as a heating fuel and
isn't used in diesel engines.

Closer, but not quite.
There are several different grades of fuel oils.
What's generically referred to as "Kerosene" is also
K-1 Kerosene (Lamp oil, also useful for home heating)
#1 Diesel (Used in Automobile Diesels, smaller stationary powerplants,
and engines that get used in environments too cold for #2 Diesel to
flow.
Jet-A/JP-5 Jet fuel.
All of them are considered completely interchangable.
JP-8 is similar to JP-5, but has additives to supress static effects
and to lower the Pour Point. These days, the U.S. Army, (And I
believe NATO in general) is using JP-8 as its sole fuel, running it in
their diesels as well as gas turbines. (It makes the logisic effort
easier.)

Most larger Diesel engines currently use #2 Diesel, which is, while
not completely interchangable with #2 Fuel Oil (Heating Fuel), pretty
close.
The only ussue with running #1 Diesel or Kerosene in a Diesel engine
is Lubricity. (#2 has a higher Sulphur content, and is thus
slipperier.) Older engines took advantage of this and used the fuel
to lubricate the injector pumps and injectors. The lighter fuels, if
they're going to be used for an extended period of time, need to have
heavier oil mixed in, or additives to provide the needed libricity.
Newer engines have fuel systems lubricated by the engine oil system,
and don't need the additives.


--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

In article ,
OM om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote:

...Which is defined as a traffic jam at inconvenient times caused by
8-10 blue collar union scumbags standing around watching one blue
collar union scumbag taking his time digging a hole, which is why some
85% of all road construction projects in the past 10 years have come
in at least 10-15% over their budgets and anywhere from 3 to 12 months
past their predicted completion dates.

.... ah, so not only are you a bigot, you are prejudiced against people based
on their employment as well. Is there anyone you don't hate?

Nick

On 5/5/04 8:03 PM, in article
, "Neil Gerace"
wrote:


"David Lesher" wrote in message
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Kevin Willoughby writes:

In article , says...
I've seen no mention in this threat that the ISS is half metric/
half SAE.

That's probably one of the more manageable problems of the multi-
national nature of the ISS. At least we all agree on the number of grams
in a pound.

In fact, we all agree on the number of pounds in a kilogram (0.45359237),...

Guess that would be kgf, right? Or are we once again comparing a mass to a
force?


Brett

On 5/6/04 1:45 AM, in article ,
"OM" om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org
wrote:

On Wed, 05 May 2004 18:30:08 GMT, Gordon Tisher
wrote:

IIRC the Mayans used a 5-day week.

...Which I once heard a street preacher nutball claim that was proof
that not only were the Mayans not one of the Ten Lost Tribes of
Israel, they obviously didn't believe in God or his ordained day off
for rest and worship.

They weren't setting aside a day to worship a deity they had never heard
of? Shocking! They don't have any immunity to smallpox, either. Filthy
heathens are obviously inferior...

Brett "And then there's their casual attitude towards gold" Buck

"Neil Gerace" wrote in message
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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote in
message
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Well, he specifically said "diesel", not generic "road tax" etc.

It's not a road tax, it's a fuel tax which pays for roads. It's a good
system because you pay more if you use the roads more.

And since heavier vehicles tend to use more fuel (and be harder on the
roads), that works out nicely as well.