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Old August 5th 07, 07:29 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
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In the Ministry of Silly Walks (Einstein Criminal Cult)

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/370230...f_silly_walks/

any development of a silly walk should be accompanied by the
development of a second silly walk incompatible with the first (this
is found to be the most efficient way of destroying irreversibly
remnants of zombies' rationality). So "La Marche Futile" is a
particularly silly walk developed mainly dans l'Academie des sciences
and showing that length contraction, the famous idiotic prediction of
Einstein's theory of relativity, is NOT REAL:

http://www.academie-sciences.fr/memb...ein_Damour.pdf
Einstein et la physique du vingtieme siecle
Thibault Damour
Membre de l'Academie des sciences
"Einstein pose, a la place, une nouvelle cinematique des mesures de
longueur et de duree dans laquelle une horloge en mouvement SEMBLE,
quand on la compare a une horloge au repos, battre plus lentement («
dilatation du temps »), alors qu'une regle en mouvement longitudinal
SEMBLE, quand on la compare a une regle au repos, etre plus courte («
contraction des longueurs »). La « contraction des longueurs » avait,
avant Einstein, ete consideree par George Fitzgerald et Hendrik
Lorentz. Cependant, ils la consideraient comme un effet « reel » de
contraction dans l'« espace absolu », alors que POUR EINSTEIN IL
S'AGIT D'UN EFFET DE PERSPECTIVE SPATIO-TEMPORELLE."

http://www-drfmc.cea.fr/Phocea/Vie_d...dex.php?id=343
Gilles Cohen-Tannoudji, EINSTEIN ET LA REFONDATION RELATIVISTE DE LA
PHYSIQUE: "Chez Poincare, la contraction des longueurs et la
dilatation des durees SONT REELLES......Chez Einstein, la contraction
des longueurs et la dilatation des durees NE SONT PAS REELLES..."

However other silly walkers apply Einstein's relativity in order to
trap a train inside a tunnel much shorter than the train:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSRIy...elated&search=

This silly walk demonstrating REAL LENGTH CONTRACTION has been mainly
developed by philosophers at Oxford University and for that reason is
called "the Oxford University Silly Walk":

http://ndpr.nd.edu/review.cfm?id=6603 : "Harvey Brown thinks that most
philosophers are confused about relativity. Most centrally, he thinks
they're confused about the relativistic effects of length contraction
and time dilation. In this important book, he aims to set them
straight.....He thinks that good answers to these questions say
something about the way in which the forces holding the parts of the
rod together depend on velocity of the rod. Only that is a story of
what causes the particles to get closer together, and so what causes
the rod to shrink."

http://www.amazon.com/Physical-Relat.../dp/0199275831
"Physical Relativity explores the nature of the distinction at the
heart of Einstein's 1905 formulation of his special theory of
relativity: that between kinematics and dynamics. Einstein himself
became increasingly uncomfortable with this distinction, and with the
limitations of what he called the 'principle theory' approach inspired
by the logic of thermodynamics. A handful of physicists and
philosophers have over the last century likewise expressed doubts
about Einstein's treatment of the relativistic behaviour of rigid
bodies and clocks in motion in the kinematical part of his great
paper, and suggested that the dynamical understanding of length
contraction and time dilation intimated by the immediate precursors of
Einstein is more fundamental."

Pentcho Valev

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Old August 5th 07, 07:43 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
H. Wabnig
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On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 23:29:52 -0700, Pentcho Valev
wrote:

In the Ministry of Silly Walks (Einstein Criminal Cult)

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/370230...f_silly_walks/

any development of a silly walk should be accompanied by the
development of a second silly walk incompatible with the first (this
is found to be the most efficient way of destroying irreversibly
remnants of zombies' rationality). So "La Marche Futile" is a
particularly silly walk developed mainly dans l'Academie des sciences
and showing that length contraction, the famous idiotic prediction of
Einstein's theory of relativity, is NOT REAL:

http://www.academie-sciences.fr/memb...ein_Damour.pdf
Einstein et la physique du vingtieme siecle
Thibault Damour
Membre de l'Academie des sciences
"Einstein pose, a la place, une nouvelle cinematique des mesures de
longueur et de duree dans laquelle une horloge en mouvement SEMBLE,
quand on la compare a une horloge au repos, battre plus lentement («
dilatation du temps »), alors qu'une regle en mouvement longitudinal
SEMBLE, quand on la compare a une regle au repos, etre plus courte («
contraction des longueurs »). La « contraction des longueurs » avait,
avant Einstein, ete consideree par George Fitzgerald et Hendrik
Lorentz. Cependant, ils la consideraient comme un effet « reel » de
contraction dans l'« espace absolu », alors que POUR EINSTEIN IL
S'AGIT D'UN EFFET DE PERSPECTIVE SPATIO-TEMPORELLE."

http://www-drfmc.cea.fr/Phocea/Vie_d...dex.php?id=343
Gilles Cohen-Tannoudji, EINSTEIN ET LA REFONDATION RELATIVISTE DE LA
PHYSIQUE: "Chez Poincare, la contraction des longueurs et la
dilatation des durees SONT REELLES......Chez Einstein, la contraction
des longueurs et la dilatation des durees NE SONT PAS REELLES..."

However other silly walkers apply Einstein's relativity in order to
trap a train inside a tunnel much shorter than the train:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSRIy...elated&search=

This silly walk demonstrating REAL LENGTH CONTRACTION has been mainly
developed by philosophers at Oxford University and for that reason is
called "the Oxford University Silly Walk":

http://ndpr.nd.edu/review.cfm?id=6603 : "Harvey Brown thinks that most
philosophers are confused about relativity. Most centrally, he thinks
they're confused about the relativistic effects of length contraction
and time dilation. In this important book, he aims to set them
straight.....He thinks that good answers to these questions say
something about the way in which the forces holding the parts of the
rod together depend on velocity of the rod. Only that is a story of
what causes the particles to get closer together, and so what causes
the rod to shrink."

http://www.amazon.com/Physical-Relat.../dp/0199275831
"Physical Relativity explores the nature of the distinction at the
heart of Einstein's 1905 formulation of his special theory of
relativity: that between kinematics and dynamics. Einstein himself
became increasingly uncomfortable with this distinction, and with the
limitations of what he called the 'principle theory' approach inspired
by the logic of thermodynamics. A handful of physicists and
philosophers have over the last century likewise expressed doubts
about Einstein's treatment of the relativistic behaviour of rigid
bodies and clocks in motion in the kinematical part of his great
paper, and suggested that the dynamical understanding of length
contraction and time dilation intimated by the immediate precursors of
Einstein is more fundamental."

Pentcho Valev


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What is the GPS carrier frequency?
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[ ] 1.022999999543 MHz (rel. corrected)
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Old August 5th 07, 08:22 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
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Three dimensional particles constantly on the move in a Four
dimensional Space-Time reality, sets the scene.

The three dimensions of the particle can extend across the three
dimensions of space alone, or not.

If the particles were at rest in Space, then the particles would
extend across Space only, and would be on the move across the
dimension of Time, and do so with the same magnitude of motion as
light has as it moves across Space.

If you the change the direction of travel of that 3 dimensional
particle that is presently in motion across Time, then the particle is
not only being redirected, but it is also being rotated.

The depth of one of its three Spatial dimensions is now beginning to
extend across the dimension of Time, and less of it is extending
across the dimension of Space.

The actual dimensions of the particle has not changed. However, its
specific placement within the four dimensions of Space-Time, has.

And so there is no magic contraction or shrinking of matter itself,
but simply a relocation of the particle that exists within the four
dimensions of the Space-Time environment.


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Old August 6th 07, 08:17 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
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On 5 Aug, 09:36, Sam Wormley wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
length contraction, the famous idiotic prediction of
Einstein's theory of relativity, is NOT REAL:


Tell that to those cosmic ray generated muons that make to the foreshortened
earth's surface before decaying.


I told them. They said: "First hypnotists in Einstein criminal cult
should explain why, as we undergo a terrible crash during which our
speed changes from about 300000km/s to zero and so we decay almost
immediately, hypnotists say we are "at rest" and then use this
extremely short lifetime "at rest" to confirm their lies":

http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.ph...d1af61851c041?

Pentcho Valev




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Old August 6th 07, 10:42 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.astro,fr.sci.physique,fr.sci.astrophysique
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Pentcho Valev wrote:

Einstein et la physique du vingtieme siecle
Thibault Damour
Membre de l'Academie des sciences
"Einstein pose, a la place, une nouvelle cinematique des mesures de
longueur et de duree dans laquelle une horloge en mouvement SEMBLE,
quand on la compare a une horloge au repos, battre plus lentement (?
dilatation du temps ?), alors qu'une regle en mouvement longitudinal
SEMBLE, quand on la compare a une regle au repos, etre plus courte (?
contraction des longueurs ?). La ? contraction des longueurs ? avait,
avant Einstein, ete consideree par George Fitzgerald et Hendrik
Lorentz. Cependant, ils la consideraient comme un effet ? reel ? de
contraction dans l'? espace absolu ?, alors que POUR EINSTEIN IL
S'AGIT D'UN EFFET DE PERSPECTIVE SPATIO-TEMPORELLE."


Einstein a raison, il s'agit d'un effet de perspective spatio-temporelle.

Prenons par exemple deux montres absolument identiques, et, de fa?on absolument
identique, faisons les partir ? Vo=0.5c, l'une par ici, l'autre par l?, selon des directions
oppos?es.

Laquelle bat moins vite que l'autre?

C'est ?videmment absurde, il est clair qu'elle battent strictement de la m?me fa?on,
puisque c'est les m?mes montres, et qu'elles font la m?me chose.

Or, chacune voit l'autre s'?loigner d'elle ? 0.8c (addition des vitesses relativistes),
et chacune voit l'autre battre plus lentement. Il s'agit d'un double effet de perspective.
Effet Doppler relativiste du second degr? (t'=t/sqrt(1-Vo^2/c^2) ajout? ? un simple
effet doppler du premier degr? (relativiste, lui aussi) t'=t.(1+cos?Vo/c)

Chacune des deux montres VOIT donc, en direct live, l'autre montre qui bat trois fois moins vite.

Lors du retour, chacune des montres voit l'autre qui bat trois fois plus vite (contraction des
dur?es).

Au final, elle marquent la m?me heure; faute de quoi, on ne fait plus de la physique, mais on
imagine
des absurdit?s.

Il s'agit donc d'un simple effet de perspective (attention, ne pas oublier de prendre en compte
la non-simultan?it? absolue
de l'espace, il est un "instant" o? chaque montre fait demi-tour, mais voit l'autre encore en
course et ne faire
demi-tour que plus tard).

Mais attention, encore, s'il n'y a qu'une des montres qui fait demi-tour (cas du Langevin)
les deux montres ne marqueront pas la m?me heure, car on n'est plus en totale sym?trie.

Il est clair que si la premi?re montre n'a utilis? qu'un r?f?rentiel, l'autre en a utilis? deux
entre le d?part et le retour.
Ce n'est pas le fait de "faire demi-tour" EN SOI, qui joue, mais le fait qu'on progresse dans un
r?f?rentiel
nouveau et diff?rent.

Pendant le demi-tour, sur le plan de temps, il ne se passe rien de pr?cis (exit le time gap),
mais seulement
une fantastique d?formation m?trique de l'espace entier pour l'objet qui vire (mais l? c'est trop
complexe
pour le niveau du forum, je d?taille pas).

Application num?rique pour les temps:
Terrence rest? sur ter voit Stella s'?loigner pendant 27 ans, et revenir en 3 ans.
Stella voit la terre s'?loigner pendant 9 ans, et se rapporocher pendant 9 ans.

Terrence a 30 ans; Stella 18.

C'est la notion bien connue de relativit? du temps.


Pentcho Valev


R.H.




 




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