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what if paradox
Nothing is something. It is easy to believe there was always something
because nothing exists and is something. Even the finite chance of you being alive is so enormous that some need to assign divinity to ease their minds. Think of the lottery odds of you existing from the uncountable events within events, solar system creation to sperm and egg and beyond. Your life is sacred because of this "lottery" win not because of someone's plan. |
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"kjakja" ha scritto nel messaggio
. com... Nothing is something. It is easy to believe there was always something because nothing exists and is something. Even the finite chance of you being alive is so enormous that some need to assign divinity to ease their minds. Think of the lottery odds of you existing from the uncountable events within events, solar system creation to sperm and egg and beyond. Your life is sacred because of this "lottery" win not because of someone's plan. For a better explanation see http://www.simulation-argument.com or for an easier reading http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...358588,00.html No need of a "lottery" win in this case... Luigi Caselli |
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"kjakja" wrote in message . com... Nothing is something. It is easy to believe there was always something because nothing exists and is something. Even the finite chance of you being alive is so enormous that some need to assign divinity to ease their minds. Think of the lottery odds of you existing from the uncountable events within events, solar system creation to sperm and egg and beyond. Your life is sacred because of this "lottery" win not because of someone's plan. Then again, in a Universe of this size and time...anything is possible, and probably likely. BV. |
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"Benign Vanilla" ha scritto nel
messaggio ... "kjakja" wrote in message . com... Nothing is something. It is easy to believe there was always something because nothing exists and is something. Even the finite chance of you being alive is so enormous that some need to assign divinity to ease their minds. Think of the lottery odds of you existing from the uncountable events within events, solar system creation to sperm and egg and beyond. Your life is sacred because of this "lottery" win not because of someone's plan. Then again, in a Universe of this size and time...anything is possible, and probably likely. Universe is a very small place and is far too young to say that anything is possible or likely... The only way to justify our reality is thinking to infinite universes, and we live just in the right one. Otherwise the only other solution is that we live in a simulation... Luigi Caselli |
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Hi,
To say any universe is small (or young or any other comparative quality) is only meaningful if there is a yardstick. In this universe, in my mind, there is none yet for itself, let alone others. But if there are such yardsticks available in science then please tell me what they are. Take care, Phil. "Sleep quicker, we need the beds." http://www.philaypee.co.uk |
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"Phil Aypee" ha scritto nel messaggio
... Hi, To say any universe is small (or young or any other comparative quality) is only meaningful if there is a yardstick. In this universe, in my mind, there is none yet for itself, let alone others. But if there are such yardsticks available in science then please tell me what they are. Small means that in our universe you can have only one reality. So anything is not possibly and not likely. Life conditions are limited. In a multiverse solution you can have infinite realities... and in this theory you can say that (almost) anything is possibly or likely in some of these universes. And there's no need to claim that we won an incredibly unlikely lottery. With infinite tickets someone (us) took the right one... In the biggest lottery in Italy you have only 1 on 625.000.000 possibility to win. But selling millions of tickets every extraction someone every 10-20 times wins. If they sell only one ticket it's a bit more difficult to win... Our universe fine tuning conditions are a lot more unlikely... So you really need lots of tickets (universes)... Luigi Caselli |
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nightbat wrote
Luigi Caselli wrote: "Phil Aypee" ha scritto nel messaggio ... Hi, To say any universe is small (or young or any other comparative quality) is only meaningful if there is a yardstick. In this universe, in my mind, there is none yet for itself, let alone others. But if there are such yardsticks available in science then please tell me what they are. Luigi Small means that in our universe you can have only one reality. So anything is not possibly and not likely. Life conditions are limited. In a multiverse solution you can have infinite realities... and in this theory you can say that (almost) anything is possibly or likely in some of these universes. And there's no need to claim that we won an incredibly unlikely lottery. With infinite tickets someone (us) took the right one... In the biggest lottery in Italy you have only 1 on 625.000.000 possibility to win. But selling millions of tickets every extraction someone every 10-20 times wins. If they sell only one ticket it's a bit more difficult to win... Our universe fine tuning conditions are a lot more unlikely... So you really need lots of tickets (universes)... Luigi Caselli nightbat The yard sticks are observed co peer confirmed one Universe Phil and step out of the sci fi no evidence box Luigi for a moment. Try thinking in terms of one scientifically observed immense Universe permitting many many ticket galaxies. the nightbat |
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 05:37:19 -0500
nightbat wrote: nightbat wrote Luigi Caselli wrote: "Phil Aypee" ha scritto nel messaggio ... Hi, To say any universe is small (or young or any other comparative quality) is only meaningful if there is a yardstick. In this universe, in my mind, there is none yet for itself, let alone others. But if there are such yardsticks available in science then please tell me what they are. Luigi Small means that in our universe you can have only one reality. So anything is not possibly and not likely. Life conditions are limited. In a multiverse solution you can have infinite realities... and in this theory you can say that (almost) anything is possibly or likely in some of these universes. And there's no need to claim that we won an incredibly unlikely lottery. With infinite tickets someone (us) took the right one... In the biggest lottery in Italy you have only 1 on 625.000.000 possibility to win. But selling millions of tickets every extraction someone every 10-20 times wins. If they sell only one ticket it's a bit more difficult to win... Our universe fine tuning conditions are a lot more unlikely... So you really need lots of tickets (universes)... Luigi Caselli nightbat The yard sticks are observed co peer confirmed one Universe Phil and step out of the sci fi no evidence box Luigi for a moment. Try thinking in terms of one scientifically observed immense Universe permitting many many ticket galaxies. Those galaxies all bought the same ticket or done the same set of numbers. The numbers are all the same whichever galaxy your in. the nightbat |
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nightbat wrote
Ray Vingnutte wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 05:37:19 -0500 nightbat wrote: nightbat wrote Luigi Caselli wrote: "Phil Aypee" ha scritto nel messaggio ... Hi, To say any universe is small (or young or any other comparative quality) is only meaningful if there is a yardstick. In this universe, in my mind, there is none yet for itself, let alone others. But if there are such yardsticks available in science then please tell me what they are. Luigi Small means that in our universe you can have only one reality. So anything is not possibly and not likely. Life conditions are limited. In a multiverse solution you can have infinite realities... and in this theory you can say that (almost) anything is possibly or likely in some of these universes. And there's no need to claim that we won an incredibly unlikely lottery. With infinite tickets someone (us) took the right one... In the biggest lottery in Italy you have only 1 on 625.000.000 possibility to win. But selling millions of tickets every extraction someone every 10-20 times wins. If they sell only one ticket it's a bit more difficult to win... Our universe fine tuning conditions are a lot more unlikely... So you really need lots of tickets (universes)... Luigi Caselli nightbat The yard sticks are observed co peer confirmed one Universe Phil and step out of the sci fi no evidence box Luigi for a moment. Try thinking in terms of one scientifically observed immense Universe permitting many many ticket galaxies. Ray Those galaxies all bought the same ticket or done the same set of numbers. The numbers are all the same whichever galaxy your in. nightbat Perhaps the same present known applicable math numbers Ray, but by no means always the same number potential particular real world mixing and reducing applicable factors. For life to exist and evolve requires exacting proper conditions perhaps not conducive in all theoretical, observable, or possible galaxies, their formations, including residing stars or planets. However your life analysis propensity is correct, life begets life is true, where it science possibly cause deduced originated is the question. All life preexistent absent even in imaginary multiverse theory gives you the same answer on both sides of dimensional evaluation or any possible applied mathematical equation. the nightbat |
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Benign Vanilla wrote:
"kjakja" wrote in message . com... Nothing is something. It is easy to believe there was always something because nothing exists and is something. Even the finite chance of you being alive is so enormous that some need to assign divinity to ease their minds. Think of the lottery odds of you existing from the uncountable events within events, solar system creation to sperm and egg and beyond. Your life is sacred because of this "lottery" win not because of someone's plan. Then again, in a Universe of this size and time...anything is possible, and probably likely. BV. If we use the drake equation and wittle it down so that the end answer is 1, that's one place in each galaxy that harbors intelligent, communicative life. How many galaxies are there in the universe? A billion? More? Less? Is our civilization in it's existing state considered a 'communicative' civilization? Or are we just one step below that? Of course that's just one perspective. Just because we have no proof of such a thing, it is not possible for life to take on other forms in the universe such as planet sized ameoba or energy based forms of life? If you really want to illustrate the paradox here think of this: Our body is nothing more than a series of chemical reactions. That kind of event happens so frequently in the universe every nanosecond, where is the difference between the formation of a solar system and the creation of a human being? The only difference that I see is that one takes a billion years to form and the other takes a few hundred thousand years to evolve. If intelligent life can evolve in just a few hundred thousand years and our Universe is at least 14 billion years old, what else has evolved in that time? In relation to the universe, our civilization is a fraction of a picosecond in it's age. |
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