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Old November 12th 12, 03:52 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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On Nov 12, 9:05*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Nov 12, 4:11*am, mpc755 wrote:









On Nov 12, 2:55*am, Painius wrote:


On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:13:58 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 11, 6:13 pm, Painius wrote:


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


Yet, the aether cannot do that on its own. It must have help. There
must be a pressure exerted on the aether. What, in your opinion,
might be the source of that pressure?


Aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.


A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.


What, again in your opinion, causes the disappearance of the
interference pattern when a sensor is placed near a slit?


'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf


When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.


any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
energetic contact with a hidden medium


The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
energetic contact is the state of displacement of the aether.


A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.


In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.


Fascinating!


What is it about the detection of the particle that turns the
associated aether wave into "chop"? *The detector does nothing but
"detect", correct? *So how does a device that does nothing but detect
have any affect at all upon the aether wave that's associated with the
particle?


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Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
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In a boat double slit experiment there are pilings at the exits to the
slits with sensors on them to detect the boat. As the boat exits the
slits the pilings turn the bow wave into chop.


The detection destroys the coherence of the associated wave in the
aether. The detection destroys the coherence between the particle and
its associated wave in the aether.


What is it about this aether volume and its supersolid flow of filling
in wherever ordinary mass used to exist, that's creating or producing
directional gravity?

Is this aether intelligent mass that always knows exactly what and
when to do everything, so that its gravity of pushing everything
together is what makes us think that ordinary matter and its atomic
binding force is the source of gravity?


Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back
and exerts inward pressure toward matter.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.
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Old November 12th 12, 10:35 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:11:06 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 2:55*am, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:13:58 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 11, 6:13 pm, Painius wrote:


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


Yet, the aether cannot do that on its own. It must have help. There
must be a pressure exerted on the aether. What, in your opinion,
might be the source of that pressure?


Aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.


A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.


What, again in your opinion, causes the disappearance of the
interference pattern when a sensor is placed near a slit?


'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf


When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.


any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
energetic contact with a hidden medium


The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
energetic contact is the state of displacement of the aether.


A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.


In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.


Fascinating!

What is it about the detection of the particle that turns the
associated aether wave into "chop"? *The detector does nothing but
"detect", correct? *So how does a device that does nothing but detect
have any affect at all upon the aether wave that's associated with the
particle?


In a boat double slit experiment there are pilings at the exits to the
slits with sensors on them to detect the boat. As the boat exits the
slits the pilings turn the bow wave into chop.

The detection destroys the coherence of the associated wave in the
aether. The detection destroys the coherence between the particle and
its associated wave in the aether.



But where do those "pilings" come from? How does the detection
instrument generate those pilings? How does the detection destroy the
dual coherence you describe? All it happens to be is a detector, an
instrument that merely *receives* information. It's noted that the
detector must somehow do something to destroy the dual coherence, but
precisely how does an instrument that is only there to receive
information have any effect at all upon the particle or the wave?


--
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"Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length."
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Old November 12th 12, 11:21 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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On Nov 12, 4:35*pm, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:11:06 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:









On Nov 12, 2:55*am, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:13:58 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 11, 6:13 pm, Painius wrote:


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


Yet, the aether cannot do that on its own. It must have help. There
must be a pressure exerted on the aether. What, in your opinion,
might be the source of that pressure?


Aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.


A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.


What, again in your opinion, causes the disappearance of the
interference pattern when a sensor is placed near a slit?


'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf


When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.


any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
energetic contact with a hidden medium


The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
energetic contact is the state of displacement of the aether.


A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.


In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.


Fascinating!


What is it about the detection of the particle that turns the
associated aether wave into "chop"? *The detector does nothing but
"detect", correct? *So how does a device that does nothing but detect
have any affect at all upon the aether wave that's associated with the
particle?


In a boat double slit experiment there are pilings at the exits to the
slits with sensors on them to detect the boat. As the boat exits the
slits the pilings turn the bow wave into chop.


The detection destroys the coherence of the associated wave in the
aether. The detection destroys the coherence between the particle and
its associated wave in the aether.


But where do those "pilings" come from? *How does the detection
instrument generate those pilings? *How does the detection destroy the
dual coherence you describe? *All it happens to be is a detector, an
instrument that merely *receives* information. *It's noted that the
detector must somehow do something to destroy the dual coherence, but
precisely how does an instrument that is only there to receive
information have any effect at all upon the particle or the wave?

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length."


The detector detects the particle by physically interacting with the
particle. The detector also physically interacts with the associated
wave in the aether. The detector turns the aether wave into chop.

It is amazing you can make up magical particles which magically flow
toward the Earth and magically transition from mass to energy and back
again but you can't understand how physically detecting the a particle
can turn the associated wave in the aether into chop.
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Old November 14th 12, 08:11 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:21:10 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 4:35*pm, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:11:06 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:

On Nov 12, 2:55*am, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:13:58 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 11, 6:13 pm, Painius wrote:


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


Yet, the aether cannot do that on its own. It must have help. There
must be a pressure exerted on the aether. What, in your opinion,
might be the source of that pressure?


Aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.


A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.


What, again in your opinion, causes the disappearance of the
interference pattern when a sensor is placed near a slit?


'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf


When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.


any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
energetic contact with a hidden medium


The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
energetic contact is the state of displacement of the aether.


A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.


In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.


Fascinating!


What is it about the detection of the particle that turns the
associated aether wave into "chop"? *The detector does nothing but
"detect", correct? *So how does a device that does nothing but detect
have any affect at all upon the aether wave that's associated with the
particle?


In a boat double slit experiment there are pilings at the exits to the
slits with sensors on them to detect the boat. As the boat exits the
slits the pilings turn the bow wave into chop.


The detection destroys the coherence of the associated wave in the
aether. The detection destroys the coherence between the particle and
its associated wave in the aether.


But where do those "pilings" come from? *How does the detection
instrument generate those pilings? *How does the detection destroy the
dual coherence you describe? *All it happens to be is a detector, an
instrument that merely *receives* information. *It's noted that the
detector must somehow do something to destroy the dual coherence, but
precisely how does an instrument that is only there to receive
information have any effect at all upon the particle or the wave?


The detector detects the particle by physically interacting with the
particle. The detector also physically interacts with the associated
wave in the aether. The detector turns the aether wave into chop.

It is amazing you can make up magical particles which magically flow
toward the Earth and magically transition from mass to energy and back
again but you can't understand how physically detecting the a particle
can turn the associated wave in the aether into chop.



lol! It is you, Mike, who proffers effect without cause. So it is
you who make up the magic of an aether that causes gravity merely by
being displaced by matter. Without a pressure/force behind that
aether, then it operates on fairy wings.


--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @ http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length."
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Old November 14th 12, 08:26 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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On 11/14/2012 2:11 PM, Painius wrote:

It is amazing you can make up magical particles which magically flow
toward the Earth and magically transition from mass to energy and back
again but you can't understand how physically detecting the a particle
can turn the associated wave in the aether into chop.



lol! It is you, Mike, who proffers effect without cause. So it is
you who make up the magic of an aether that causes gravity merely by
being displaced by matter. Without a pressure/force behind that
aether, then it operates on fairy wings.



Good...So finally we all agree that ether doesn't exist at all.











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Old November 14th 12, 09:58 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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On Nov 14, 2:11*pm, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:21:10 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:









On Nov 12, 4:35 pm, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:11:06 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 12, 2:55 am, Painius wrote:
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:13:58 -0800 (PST), mpc755
wrote:


On Nov 11, 6:13 pm, Painius wrote:


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


Yet, the aether cannot do that on its own. It must have help. There
must be a pressure exerted on the aether. What, in your opinion,
might be the source of that pressure?


Aether exists everywhere particles of matter do not.


A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels through a single slit and
the associated wave in the aether passes through both.


What, again in your opinion, causes the disappearance of the
interference pattern when a sensor is placed near a slit?


'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf


When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.


any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
energetic contact with a hidden medium


The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
energetic contact is the state of displacement of the aether.


A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.


In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.


Fascinating!


What is it about the detection of the particle that turns the
associated aether wave into "chop"? The detector does nothing but
"detect", correct? So how does a device that does nothing but detect
have any affect at all upon the aether wave that's associated with the
particle?


In a boat double slit experiment there are pilings at the exits to the
slits with sensors on them to detect the boat. As the boat exits the
slits the pilings turn the bow wave into chop.


The detection destroys the coherence of the associated wave in the
aether. The detection destroys the coherence between the particle and
its associated wave in the aether.


But where do those "pilings" come from? How does the detection
instrument generate those pilings? How does the detection destroy the
dual coherence you describe? All it happens to be is a detector, an
instrument that merely *receives* information. It's noted that the
detector must somehow do something to destroy the dual coherence, but
precisely how does an instrument that is only there to receive
information have any effect at all upon the particle or the wave?


The detector detects the particle by physically interacting with the
particle. The detector also physically interacts with the associated
wave in the aether. The detector turns the aether wave into chop.


It is amazing you can make up magical particles which magically flow
toward the Earth and magically transition from mass to energy and back
again but you can't understand how physically detecting the a particle
can turn the associated wave in the aether into chop.


lol! *It is you, Mike, who proffers effect without cause. *So it is
you who make up the magic of an aether that causes gravity merely by
being displaced by matter. *Without a pressure/force behind that
aether, then it operates on fairy wings.


You are unable or unwilling to understand aether existing everywhere
particles of matter do not means there is pressure.
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Old November 14th 12, 10:00 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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On Nov 14, 2:26*pm, HVAC wrote:
On 11/14/2012 2:11 PM, Painius wrote:



It is amazing you can make up magical particles which magically flow
toward the Earth and magically transition from mass to energy and back
again but you can't understand how physically detecting the a particle
can turn the associated wave in the aether into chop.


lol! *It is you, Mike, who proffers effect without cause. *So it is
you who make up the magic of an aether that causes gravity merely by
being displaced by matter. *Without a pressure/force behind that
aether, then it operates on fairy wings.


Good...So finally we all agree that ether doesn't exist at all.


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave. In a
double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path which
takes it through one slit and the associated wave in the aether passes
through both.
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Old November 14th 12, 10:41 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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On 11/14/2012 4:00 PM, mpc755 wrote:

Good...So finally we all agree that ether doesn't exist at all.


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.



100% wrong. Ether exists exactly as much as god exists.







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Old November 14th 12, 10:52 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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On Nov 14, 4:41*pm, HVAC wrote:
On 11/14/2012 4:00 PM, mpc755 wrote:



Good...So finally we all agree that ether doesn't exist at all.


Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


100% wrong. Ether exists exactly as much as god exists.


Are you able to understand objects interact with a supersolid?

You are in a bowling alley filled with a supersolid. You roll the
bowling ball toward the pins.

You are able to understand the bowling ball displaces the supersolid,
correct?

You are able to understand there is no loss of energy between the
bowling ball and the supersolid because that's what supersolid means,
correct?

You are able to understand the bowling ball will roll forever through
the supersolid, correct?

The interaction of an object and a supersolid does not mean no
interaction. It means no loss of energy in the interaction. The
bowling ball requires energy to displace the supersolid. The
supersolid returns to the bowling ball the same amount of energy as
the supersolid 'displaces back'.

Q. Is the bowling ball displacing the supersolid or is the supersolid
displacing the bowling ball?
A. Both occur simultaneously with equal force.
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Old November 14th 12, 10:56 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,alt.atheism,sci.astro
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On 11/14/2012 4:52 PM, mpc755 wrote:

100% wrong. Ether exists exactly as much as god exists.


Are you able to understand objects interact with a supersolid?



Ether = God.
God does not exist = Ether does not exist.

I'm just smarter and better than you, MP3.











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