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Old July 28th 12, 02:08 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.astro,sci.physics,sci.space.history,rec.arts.sf.science
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On Jul 26, 6:19*pm, Rick Jones wrote:
In sci.space.history Robert Clark wrote:

Interestingly SpaceX says the side boosters on the Falcon Heavy will
have a 30 to 1 mass ratio. This improvement is probably coming from
the fact it is using the lighter Merlin 1D engines, and because
scaling up a rocket actually improves your mass ratio, and also not
having to support the weight of an upper stage and heavy payload it
can be made lighter.


If they are to be cranking these things out, presumably they don't
want the side boosters to be too different and say require a different
production line no?

rick jones
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That seems reasonable to save on costs. But if that were the case why
wouldn't they just say the lower stages, and so also the Falcon 9 v1.1
first stage, will have a 30 to 1 mass ratio?
Note that the mass the core stage will have to support for the Falcon
Heavy is non-trivial. You have the 53 metric ton payload, but also the
upper stage. Based on Falcon 9 upper stage gross mass of ca. 50 mT and
the F9 v1.1 50% larger size, the upper stage in this case might be 75
mT. With the large fairing weight and interstage weight this would be
over 130 mT.

Bob Clark

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Old July 28th 12, 10:50 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.astro,sci.physics,sci.space.history,rec.arts.sf.science
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On Jul 28, 9:08*am, Robert Clark wrote:
On Jul 26, 6:19*pm, Rick Jones wrote:

In sci.space.history Robert Clark wrote:


Interestingly SpaceX says the side boosters on the Falcon Heavy will
have a 30 to 1 mass ratio. This improvement is probably coming from
the fact it is using the lighter Merlin 1D engines, and because
scaling up a rocket actually improves your mass ratio, and also not
having to support the weight of an upper stage and heavy payload it
can be made lighter.


If they are to be cranking these things out, presumably they don't
want the side boosters to be too different and say require a different
production line no?


rick jones
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*That seems reasonable to save on costs. But if that were the case why
wouldn't they just say the lower stages, and so also the Falcon 9 v1.1
first stage, will have a 30 to 1 mass ratio?
*Note that the mass the core stage will have to support for the Falcon
Heavy is non-trivial. You have the 53 metric ton payload, but also the
upper stage. Based on Falcon 9 upper stage gross mass of ca. 50 mT and
the F9 v1.1 50% larger size, *the upper stage in this case might be 75
mT. With the large fairing weight and interstage weight this would be
over 130 mT.

* *Bob Clark



Another one of clark's assine threads on the useless SSTO
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Old July 30th 12, 04:29 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.astro,sci.physics,sci.space.history,rec.arts.sf.science
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On Jul 30, 8:24*am, Jeff Findley wrote:


His posts are far more useful than what you just posted.

Jeff
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And still waiting for one of your posts to have any relevancy or
original thought.
Same old, let's bash NASA and established players.

 




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