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Russian: MEN WILL BE FIRST TO GO TO MARS
JimO: This is the same guy, five years ago, who blamed the Canadian woman
Judith Lapierre for all the tensions in the space isolation simulator when she was such a spoilsport about being french kissed by amorous russian crewmates -- and who wouldn't open the latch to let her out until she withdrew her emailed complaints. Discussed in my book 'Star-Crossed Orbits'. Will a few 'fragile and delicate creatures' go up to his office and kick the living daylights out of him, please? 2005-02-10 19:12 * Russian: MEN WILL BE FIRST TO GO TO MARS http://en.rian.ru/rian/index.cfm?prd...row=11&da te= 2005-02-10&do_alert=0 MOSCOW, February 10 (RIA Novosti) - There would be probably no women on the first flight to Mars, Director of the Institute of Medical and Biological Problems (IMBP), academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences, member of the Presidential Council on Sciences and Education Anatoly Grigoryev announced after his speech in front of the students of the Moscow International University. "After all, women are fragile and delicate creatures; that is why men should lead the way to distant planets and carry women there in their strong hands," the head of IMBP said with a smile. |
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If Europe and the U.S. take part in a joint first spaceflight to Mars,
using a mixed crew, the first person to step on Mars might be a woman. __ Rusty Sacramento, CA |
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"Rusty" wrote:
:If Europe and the U.S. take part in a joint first spaceflight to Mars, :using a mixed crew, the first person to step on Mars might be a woman. It might also be a toddler. |
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Rusty" wrote: :If Europe and the U.S. take part in a joint first spaceflight to Mars, :using a mixed crew, the first person to step on Mars might be a woman. It might also be a toddler. Wonder if they'll pack a toddler-sized spacesuit just in case? ;-) -- Malcolm Street Canberra, Australia The nation's capital |
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Jim Oberg wrote:
JimO: This is the same guy, five years ago, who blamed the Canadian woman Judith Lapierre for all the tensions in the space isolation simulator when she was such a spoilsport about being french kissed by amorous russian crewmates Can't have meaningful discussions on such a taboo subject here. Lets just hope that program managers will be able to get over taboos and politically correct barriers and discuss real issues of crew compatibility. Was it a mistake to accept someone who would refuse advances from others, or was it a mistake to expect that the crew would be able to keep to themselves for so long ? If you're going to allow couples only, this has serious implications for training since you can't just pick individuals from a pool of astronauts, you need to pick individuals and then train their spouses. And you need to have good appreciation of whether a couple will last through the mission without wanting a divorce in space. NASA and RSA have to get over the taboos and start to really test various crew "configs" and they may also consider sending couples to the station to see what sort of interactions happen. |
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:24:51 -0500, in a place far, far away, John Doe
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Jim Oberg wrote: JimO: This is the same guy, five years ago, who blamed the Canadian woman Judith Lapierre for all the tensions in the space isolation simulator when she was such a spoilsport about being french kissed by amorous russian crewmates Can't have meaningful discussions on such a taboo subject here. Lets just hope that program managers will be able to get over taboos and politically correct barriers and discuss real issues of crew compatibility. Was it a mistake to accept someone who would refuse advances from others, or was it a mistake to expect that the crew would be able to keep to themselves for so long ? It's not a mistake, in my opinion, to expect people to act like professionals, and not sexist pigs who think that women were placed on earth solely to sate their desires.. |
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Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:24:51 -0500, in a place far, far away, John Doe : made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as : to indicate that: : Jim Oberg wrote: : : JimO: This is the same guy, five years ago, who blamed the Canadian woman : Judith Lapierre for all the tensions in the space isolation simulator when she was such a spoilsport about being french kissed by amorous russian crewmates : : : Can't have meaningful discussions on such a taboo subject here. Lets : just hope that program managers will be able to get over taboos and : politically correct barriers and discuss real issues of crew : compatibility. : : Was it a mistake to accept someone who would refuse advances from : others, or was it a mistake to expect that the crew would be able to : keep to themselves for so long ? : It's not a mistake, in my opinion, to expect people to act like : professionals, and not sexist pigs who think that women were placed on : earth solely to sate their desires.. Well said, Rand. Every once in awhile you're not you're typical self. |
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Eric Chomko ) wrote:
: Rand Simberg ) wrote: : : On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:24:51 -0500, in a place far, far away, John Doe : : made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as : : to indicate that: : : Jim Oberg wrote: : : : : JimO: This is the same guy, five years ago, who blamed the Canadian woman : : Judith Lapierre for all the tensions in the space isolation simulator when she was such a spoilsport about being french kissed by amorous russian crewmates : : : : : : Can't have meaningful discussions on such a taboo subject here. Lets : : just hope that program managers will be able to get over taboos and : : politically correct barriers and discuss real issues of crew : : compatibility. : : : : Was it a mistake to accept someone who would refuse advances from : : others, or was it a mistake to expect that the crew would be able to : : keep to themselves for so long ? : : It's not a mistake, in my opinion, to expect people to act like : : professionals, and not sexist pigs who think that women were placed on : : earth solely to sate their desires.. : Well said, Rand. Every once in awhile you're not you're typical self. Can't even compliment him and get a mere "thanks". Imagine that? |
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"Rand Simberg" wrote in message .. . It's not a mistake, in my opinion, to expect people to act like professionals, and not sexist pigs who think that women were placed on earth solely to sate their desires.. I'd also like to add that the sex of the offender and offended really aren't the issue. You can still have unwanted sexual advances in an all male environment. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that the crewmembers keep these urges to themselves on a Mars mission. If you start your reasoning with that expectation, there isn't any reason to bar women from Mars flights. One has to wonder what the reaction of Anatoly Grigoryev would have been if a man in that simulation had started making unwanted sexual advances on another man. Jeff -- Remove icky phrase from email address to get a valid address. |
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