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Telescope for Child
I am thinking of getting a Celestron 114gt for my 8 year old daughter.
Anyone have one of these and what do you think about it? Thanks Vedo |
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Telescope for Child
Everyone will likely tell you that it's a piece of crap... so I'll save them
the trouble. ;^) So far the Orion Starblast looks like a clear winner in the scopes for kidlets category. http://www.telescope.com/shopping/pr...ProductID=4644 Read a review at: http://ephemeris.sjaa.net/0308/b.html Also look for the thread "Orion Starblast" "Vedo" wrote in message m... I am thinking of getting a Celestron 114gt for my 8 year old daughter. Anyone have one of these and what do you think about it? Thanks Vedo |
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Ease of use is important for adults and *vital* for children. Get the
easiest-to-use telescope you can find. No computers, no equatorial mount. (I don't recognize the one you describe, so I can't comment on it specifically.) Note that even a computerized telescope requires you to identify a number of stars in order to set it up each time. It is not usable by a person with no knowledge of the sky. Which leads to the question -- Can your daughter point her finger at at least 10 objects that she'd like to view through the telescope? (E.g., the Orion Nebula.) If not, she won't be able to point a telescope at them either. Sorry to sound grumpy... I've seen lots of people get disappointed. Exploring the sky with maps and binoculars is the best way to start. -- Clear skies, Michael Covington -- www.covingtoninnovations.com Author, Astrophotography for the Amateur and (new) How to Use a Computerized Telescope |
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Since everyone hasn't used one, I'll give you my opinion as a newcomer to
astronomy. It is my first scope. I paid only $160. I think it is worth at least that much. I would not get it for my eight year old. It is NOT easy for a new user. It requires far more reading than what is in the instruction manual, but there are many great resources on the web. It is good enough to have snagged my interest and to advance to something bigger and better. I am an urban viewer and don't have a very expansive view of the sky. I have largely relied on pointing the scope to known objects. My personal database of things in the sky has grown a lot as a result. I agree with some of the other posts. Something simpler would be more satisfying. "Vedo" wrote in message m... I am thinking of getting a Celestron 114gt for my 8 year old daughter. Anyone have one of these and what do you think about it? Thanks Vedo |
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"Michael A. Covington" wrote in message news Ease of use is important for adults and *vital* for children. Get the easiest-to-use telescope you can find. No computers, no equatorial mount. (I don't recognize the one you describe, so I can't comment on it specifically.) Note that even a computerized telescope requires you to identify a number of stars in order to set it up each time. It is not usable by a person with no knowledge of the sky. Which leads to the question -- Can your daughter point her finger at at least 10 objects that she'd like to view through the telescope? (E.g., the Orion Nebula.) If not, she won't be able to point a telescope at them either. Sorry to sound grumpy... I've seen lots of people get disappointed. Exploring the sky with maps and binoculars is the best way to start. -- Clear skies, Michael Covington -- www.covingtoninnovations.com Author, Astrophotography for the Amateur and (new) How to Use a Computerized Telescope I second that. A good pair of binoculars and Peterson's field Guide, "Stars and Planets", is a good place to start. Start learning the brightest stars and constellations. You don't want to spend a lot of money on something that a child may end up bored with in a week. Cheers, Jim |
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"Vedo" wrote in message m... I am thinking of getting a Celestron 114gt for my 8 year old daughter. Anyone have one of these and what do you think about it? Thanks Vedo As a newbie to telescope(or astronomy), I would like to tell you about my experience. I don't intend to give you advice as a astronomer. I am simply telling you my experience as a parent. I bought a hardly used second-hand Tasco 114mm reflector for my 6 year old daughter nearly for nothing which many people call total crap and should be avoided at any cost. They say it's a good idea to buy a pair of binos instead or buy something more costlier for the first telescope. This seems to be the advice shared by most experienced amateur astronomers. The logic behind this is that with at least 6" telescope you have the decent view of the sky and you won't get disappointed. I think their advice is quite legitimate and worth listen to, I had doubt as to the suitability of such expensive and heavy telescope for young children. I raised this issue somewhere else and was accused of being a toy shop salesman trying to deceive people into buying cheap telescopes. I understand their concern over their relatively inferior eyepieces and low quality mount or other parts made from cheap materials. With my limited experiences regarding the telescope in general, I have gather that watching sky has three elements: Sky, observation instrument and person watching the sky. The majority of advice given to the first time buyer of telescope is based purely upon the sky, ignoring the educational value for young children. The logical step for young children who want to learn about the sky or astronomy, seriously speaking, is to join a local astronomy club and begin learning the basics before venturing into more sophisticate observation. However, the telescope, even a cheap telescope has it's own value for children, in my opinion. When I first brought the telescope, my daughter was very excited to see it. Not many children of her age has got a telescope of their own, though some children may have seen them belonging to their parents at home. On the very first night she read through a small children's encyclopedic book and got some basic knowledge necessary for her age. My daughter hasn't seen much through the telescope for the past two months since she had got the telescope partly because her daily pattern doesn't always match the viewing condition and my life pattern and partly because the telescope is too big for her or her mum to handle. Besides she has a bit of fear of darkness. I had started teaching the basic principle of telescope and astronomy before I acquired the telescope by making simple telescope out of reading glasses and a lens taken out from broken scanner and watching sky together locating some constellations. Then we made a pinhole camera and water drop microscope simply to demonstrate the basic principles of lights and lens. Though she doesn't fully understand it, the wow factor is quite important in education. With the what they call 'crap' telescope, she has watched the moon, mars and Saturn. I don't want her get her view everything in hasty. The telescope came with ,965" eyepieces of 20mm and 4mm. The optical quality is not best but it's quite viewable for educational purpose. The other day I needed to get the moon fully in the view so I made an eyepiece of low power with lenses taken out from her toy. And I also made a microscope with the eyepieces using the tiny lens saved from the scanner as an object lens and 20mm as an eyepiece. We had quite good view of onion skin with this home-made microscope and my daughter learned a lot. You can make the microscope your self with 4mm eyepiece as an object lens though magnification is not so great. Next time we go out to see the moon I will try to tell her about the craters on the moon starting with Kepler and Copernicus craters and the impact it may bring to the earth if that were happen on the earth with the experiment by throwing a stone on a puddle, on the flour and on the hard brick. In spite of clear-cut bisectomy dividing the crap and the decent , toy and observational instrument most people think about telescope, I have gathered so far that even a cheap telescope has lots of potential for educational purpose. Scientists encourage children looking through even the cheapest microscope, photographers do the same to children. Why not Astronomy? It seems quite certain that you may not get your children into the prestigious club of "amateur astronomy,' with those telescope branded junkies, in my opinion no matter what kind the telescope is given to the child, it is important to get her to make most out of it . Even 4.5" telescope I have got is too heavy and EQ mount is too complicated for children I guess. When my daughter saw the face of the moon, the first thing she said was 'wow.' When she saw the rings of Saturn, she seemed surprised to see the rings but a little disappointed. She must have thought that the image would be much bigger as big as the one on the book. When I showed her the Sun(with filter of course), her reaction was less impressive. She thought it was dull to look at the sun. For children, wow factor should never be underestimated. Usually, 5-7 year olds wow at the instruments and from 8 year on they are beginning to explorer through telescope only if he or she is given the proper chance. In order for the 8 year old to fully take advantage of telescope, I think it should be near at hand, preferably bedside, with which he or she can play and look through often without worrying about breaking it. That way I think the children can grow interest in astronomy or science as a whole. Now the Tasco I have got is too big I am thinking of buying a smaller refractor. For this reason maybe a pair of binoculars might be suitable as 'amateur astronomers suggest but the binoculars lack important wow factor. And low powered binoculars will never achieve what they can see even with small cheap refractor and high powered ones will be unsuitable for children without proper support. Besides they can't see the objects with binoculars near the zenith without breaking necks. In sum, what I am thinking about telescope for educational purpose is quite different from the advice given by other amateur astronomers. Considering other factors, merely watching sharp and crisp deep sky objects, taking photographs and drawing star chart is not what they need. I think the telescope that can lay foundation for children's future scientific knowledge is the best telescope. It doesn't necessarily mean that 6" Telescope with quality eyepieces. |
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I think the
telescope that can lay foundation for children's future scientific knowledge is the best telescope. It doesn't necessarily mean that 6" Telescope with quality eyepieces. Some Random thoughts: 1. There is no doubt that a telescope (or even binoculars) can energize a child and may nurture a lifelong interest. It sounds to me like your daughter is getting a good education and some real joy from that Tasco scope. My advice with such scopes is that if one is choosing, then buy something else, but if this is what one has, then it can provide some real pleasure. And with some work and effort (which the child can help with), these scopes can be quite decent. Many of us started with scopes that are inferior to your Tasco, I started with a $10 garage sale scope that was barely useable. 2. However, if one is going to buy a scope, there is no need to spend good money on an inappropriate or poor quality telescope. The 114GT costs something like $200. For that same $200 there are options that I believe are more applicable for a child. The two scopes that come to mind are the Orion Starblast and the Orion XT4.5. Both small DOBs that are of reasonable quality and that come with decent eyepieces. The XT4.5 is a better choice IMHO because it comes with better eyepieces and has a longer focal ratio (and focal length) which will provide sharper views, especially of the planets and moon. Both these scopes are small and useable by a child. 3. The reason that binoculars have been traditionally recommended as a first tool is because they are a step in learning the sky. Telescopes provide only narrow fields of view which means often one is missing the bigger picture while zooming in on some object that was on some chart. Binoculars allow the discovery and understanding of the night sky on a different scale. There is plenty to see with a 4.5 inch scope but traditionally the idea has been to learn the sky first in various steps. With the advent of GOTO scopes, this has changed but the advice is still good advice if one is interested in learning how to navigate the night sky rather than just rely on the telescope to do it for you. So in my view binoculars are an essential part of anyone's tool kit. With binoculars you can scan the sky in big swaths and find interesting things to look at. They also are valuable in locating stars when "star hopping." And in their own right, viewing with binoculars alone can be a great pleasure. These days good binoculars can be had for under $50, for children, the size and weight are important considerations. ----- So I am with Rod Mollise on this one, "Any scope is a good scope." (Well not quite, that $8 Big Lots 40X45 scope is probably close to unusable.) If you got it use it, it will be fun. But if you are buying something and have real money to spend, then there are some real choices to be made that will allow one to get the best value for those hard earned dollars. jon |
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Thanks everyone . I am goin to get the Orion Starblast . It looks like
it would be better for her. By the way, she is better at pointing objects in the sky than I am(hehe). Phil D |
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"Bluewater" wrote in message
... In sum, what I am thinking about telescope for educational purpose is quite different from the advice given by other amateur astronomers. Considering other factors, merely watching sharp and crisp deep sky objects, taking photographs and drawing star chart is not what they need. I think the telescope that can lay foundation for children's future scientific knowledge is the best telescope. It doesn't necessarily mean that 6" Telescope with quality eyepieces. I've had the same thoughts. I learned quite a bit about the sky, the constellations, the names and locations of the bright stars, aiming computers and optics, all using my inexpensive 4" F13 Tasco Mak GoTo manufactured by Synta. These are reasonble educational tools. Hmmm, maybe I'll loan mine to the local school (after I educate the science teacher on how to use it). -Stephen |
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