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Old July 29th 03, 10:29 AM
Henri Wilson
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 02:07:57 GMT, "Minor Crank"
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"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message


rate
when lifted into orbit, and thus is not in accordance with observation.

General relativity has passed all critical tests made of it to date.


So has Wilsonian mechanics.

Crank, do you really think a maths theory can affect physical attributes?
The orbiting clocks are known to have changed their rates. If different

clocks
change by different amounts then that proves conclusively that GR is

wrong.

And YOUR theory has been CONCLUSIVELY falsified.


Crank, TIME doesn't change in gravity gradients. Clocks do. You can see it
happening in the GPS.


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Old July 29th 03, 11:27 AM
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"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
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Crank, TIME doesn't change in gravity gradients. Clocks do. You can see it
happening in the GPS.


YOUR theory predicts that cesium beam clocks and rubidium glass cell
oscillators should differ in their behavior when lifted into orbit.

What is found is that exactly the SAME correction (which corresponds to the
GR prediction) must be applied to them both, therefore YOUR theory is wrong,
disproven, false, and stupid.

Minor Crank


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Old July 30th 03, 11:02 PM
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:27:45 GMT, "Minor Crank"
wrote:

"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
.. .

Crank, TIME doesn't change in gravity gradients. Clocks do. You can see it
happening in the GPS.


YOUR theory predicts that cesium beam clocks and rubidium glass cell
oscillators should differ in their behavior when lifted into orbit.

What is found is that exactly the SAME correction (which corresponds to the
GR prediction) must be applied to them both, therefore YOUR theory is wrong,
disproven, false, and stupid.


Do you really believe that Crank? Has anyone rigorously measured the rates of
different clocks in free fall?

Minor Crank



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Old July 30th 03, 11:31 PM
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Henri Wilson wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:27:45 GMT, "Minor Crank"
wrote:

"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
.. .

Crank, TIME doesn't change in gravity gradients. Clocks do. You can see it
happening in the GPS.


YOUR theory predicts that cesium beam clocks and rubidium glass cell
oscillators should differ in their behavior when lifted into orbit.

What is found is that exactly the SAME correction (which corresponds to the
GR prediction) must be applied to them both, therefore YOUR theory is wrong,
disproven, false, and stupid.


Do you really believe that Crank? Has anyone rigorously measured the rates of
different clocks in free fall?


Yeah, stooopid,

Each of the 24 GPS satellites carries either four cesium atomic clocks
or three rubidum atomic clocks in orbit. Uncle Al cannot see how that
sums to fewer than 72 extremely precise clocks in freefall constantly
being addressed all over the Earth.

http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/gpsuser/gpsuser.pdf
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/sigspec/default.htm
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/icd200/default.htm
http://www.trimble.com/gps/index.html
http://sirius.chinalake.navy.mil/satpred/
http://www.phys.lsu.edu/mog/mog9/node9.html
http://egtphysics.net/GPS/RelGPS.htm
http://www.schriever.af.mil/gps/Current/current.oa1
http://edu-observatory.org/gps/gps_books.html
http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html

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Old July 31st 03, 03:25 AM
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"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:27:45 GMT, "Minor Crank"
wrote:

"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
.. .

Crank, TIME doesn't change in gravity gradients. Clocks do. You can see

it
happening in the GPS.


YOUR theory predicts that cesium beam clocks and rubidium glass cell
oscillators should differ in their behavior when lifted into orbit.

What is found is that exactly the SAME correction (which corresponds to

the
GR prediction) must be applied to them both, therefore YOUR theory is

wrong,
disproven, false, and stupid.


Do you really believe that Crank? Has anyone rigorously measured the rates

of
different clocks in free fall?


Yes. GPS.

Minor Crank


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Old August 1st 03, 04:20 AM
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"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:31:25 -0700, Uncle Al

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They are all in the same orbit stooooooooopid.


YOUR theory predicts that, because of their differences in construction,
rubidium glass cell oscillators will require corrections for changes in
"gravitational stress," while cesium beam clocks won't.

This is in complete and absolute contradiction with what is observed.

Minor Crank


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Old August 1st 03, 06:44 AM
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Henri:
The russian GPS are in different orbits...
from the american GPS

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Old August 1st 03, 11:40 PM
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On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 03:20:30 GMT, "Minor Crank"
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"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:31:25 -0700, Uncle Al

wrote:

They are all in the same orbit stooooooooopid.


YOUR theory predicts that, because of their differences in construction,
rubidium glass cell oscillators will require corrections for changes in
"gravitational stress," while cesium beam clocks won't.


Crank, the OCs are seen to have changed rates. The causes are irrelevant.


This is in complete and absolute contradiction with what is observed.


What about pendulum clocks, Crank?


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Old August 2nd 03, 04:39 AM
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In sci.physics, Henri Wilson
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on Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:55:19 GMT
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:31:25 -0700, Uncle Al wrote:

Henri Wilson wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:27:45 GMT, "Minor Crank"
wrote:

"Henri Wilson" HW@.. wrote in message
.. .

Crank, TIME doesn't change in gravity gradients. Clocks do. You can see it
happening in the GPS.

YOUR theory predicts that cesium beam clocks and rubidium glass cell
oscillators should differ in their behavior when lifted into orbit.

What is found is that exactly the SAME correction (which corresponds to the
GR prediction) must be applied to them both, therefore YOUR theory is wrong,
disproven, false, and stupid.

Do you really believe that Crank? Has anyone rigorously measured the rates of
different clocks in free fall?


Yeah, stooopid,

Each of the 24 GPS satellites carries either four cesium atomic clocks
or three rubidum atomic clocks in orbit. Uncle Al cannot see how that
sums to fewer than 72 extremely precise clocks in freefall constantly
being addressed all over the Earth.


They are all in the same orbit stooooooooopid.


Erm, were they in the same orbit they'd be useless as a GPS.
The orbits are scattered around the globe.

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Old August 2nd 03, 11:07 AM
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In article ,
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In sci.physics, Henri Wilson
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snip

Each of the 24 GPS satellites carries either four cesium atomic clocks
or three rubidum atomic clocks in orbit. Uncle Al cannot see how that
sums to fewer than 72 extremely precise clocks in freefall constantly
being addressed all over the Earth.


snip denigration--look it up

Erm, were they in the same orbit they'd be useless as a GPS.
The orbits are scattered around the globe.


Well, another penny just dropped. I hadn't separated the GPS
satellites with the broadcasting satellites. It's the latter
who have the "same" orbits so that there is coverage 7x24...
isn't it?

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