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Old September 23rd 10, 12:02 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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Default NRO marks 50th year; any secrets to be revealed?

if anything gets out they will have to kill us
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Old September 23rd 10, 09:21 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Sep 23, 7:02*am, " wrote:
if anything gets out they will have to kill us


If anything is released it will be used to show the public benefits
the agency provides.
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Old September 25th 10, 12:29 AM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Sep 23, 4:21*pm, William Mook wrote:
On Sep 23, 7:02*am, " wrote:

if anything gets out they will have to kill us


If anything is released it will be used to show the public benefits
the agency provides.


if nothing is released perhaps the agency has no benefits at all?

other than another pork piggie federal spending waste of money?
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Old September 26th 10, 08:48 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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On Sep 24, 7:29*pm, " wrote:
On Sep 23, 4:21*pm, William Mook wrote:

On Sep 23, 7:02*am, " wrote:


if anything gets out they will have to kill us


If anything is released it will be used to show the public benefits
the agency provides.


if nothing is released perhaps the agency has no benefits at all?

other than another pork piggie federal spending waste of money?


All great nations have secrets to keep. The United States is a great
nation. So, it likely has secrets to keep. Sure, there are always
those that abuse any privilege and we should be wary of that, but
secrets sometimes have their use and those we would find universally
beneficial.

The major problem of the modern age was outlined by C P Snow in a talk
to Harvard in 1960. He pointed out that over the previous 20 years
(1940 - 1960) there was a sea change in the way the world worked. In
the modern era (1960) we have surrendered all our cardinal (life and
death) decisions to small groups that follow the letter of the law.
These groups are executives, which follow the politics of the
courtier; or military, which follow the politics of bureaucracies; or
scientific, which follow the politics of committees. Each political
process has its own weaknesses and strengths. Each group doesn't
really understand the others. Yet all are supposed to render rational
decisions. It is unlikely that they do. The executive doesn't
understand the military situation or the science. The scientists
don't understand the political situation or the military situation.
The military doesn't understand the political situation or the
science. All suffer from the limitations of how they are organized
as well.

This cannot help but lead to common mode failure. And, what CP Snow
calls, a 'shrugging off of any responsibility for the future!' and a
'distrust of generalists and visionaries' - which spells an end to
real social progress of they type rendered by generalists and
visionaries. Such progress can be expected in areas that the groups,
committees and bureacracies ignore.

Such has happened. Software and electronics fits this criterion, and
it is in software and electronics that we have had our greatest
advance since 1960.

In the fields of rocketry, nuclear energy, and space travel, we have
not had any significant advance. Some even question whether such
advance is possible.

Advance is possible. The cost of energy from nuclear sources
(including the sun) is an inverse function of temperature raised to
the fourth power. The cost of lift from these same sources is an
inverse function of temperature raised to the one half power.

Westinghouse and GE fixed the temperature of nuclear reactors in 1955
to equal the cost of coal fired plants. There has been resistance to
high temperature nuclear reactors ever since.

President Lyndon Johnson along with Robert McNamara ended funding on
high temperature rocket research derived from Project Rover in 1963 -
it was LBJ's first as as President. 1964 budget year was the high
point of NASA, after this time, NASA's budget was slashed and the
Saturn V was the high-water mark for rocketry. All subsequent rockets
were smaller and less capable and more costly.

Meanwhile, capable trusted people, like Werner vonBraun were sidelined
and taken out of power by 1968.

All of these decisions made sense to the people that made them.

They shrugged off their responsibility to the future, and set the
stage for the beginnings of our decline as a growing vital culture.

Software and electronics avoided this fate.

That situation is being 'corrected' as committees and bureaucracies
are formed to examine the military, political and scientific potential
of these developments, even while special interests remove the means
for continued growth from the hands of the many.

Thus sealing our fate as a failed culture.

Unless something is done to address these issues.

Snow had no remedies, he felt it important to point out the common
mode failure however - and to inspire a younger generation (that of
the 1960s) toward positive action to look into it.

I have given this some thought - and come up with a solution - I call
it tensor money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=istE1bpoDPg
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Old September 27th 10, 07:52 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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Default NRO marks 50th year; any secrets to be revealed?

On Sep 26, 12:48*pm, William Mook wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:29*pm, " wrote:

On Sep 23, 4:21*pm, William Mook wrote:


On Sep 23, 7:02*am, " wrote:


if anything gets out they will have to kill us


If anything is released it will be used to show the public benefits
the agency provides.


if nothing is released perhaps the agency has no benefits at all?


other than another pork piggie federal spending waste of money?


All great nations have secrets to keep. *The United States is a great
nation. *So, it likely has secrets to keep. *Sure, there are always
those that abuse any privilege and we should be wary of that, but
secrets sometimes have their use and those we would find universally
beneficial.

The major problem of the modern age was outlined by C P Snow in a talk
to Harvard in 1960. *He pointed out that over the previous 20 years
(1940 - 1960) there was a sea change in the way the world worked. *In
the modern era (1960) we have surrendered all our cardinal (life and
death) decisions to small groups that follow the letter of the law.
These groups are executives, which follow the politics of the
courtier; or military, which follow the politics of bureaucracies; or
scientific, which follow the politics of committees. *Each political
process has its own weaknesses and strengths. *Each group doesn't
really understand the others. *Yet all are supposed to render rational
decisions. *It is unlikely that they do. *The executive doesn't
understand the military situation or the science. *The scientists
don't understand the political situation or the military situation.
The military doesn't understand the political situation or the
science. * All suffer from the limitations of how they are organized
as well.

This cannot help but lead to common mode failure. *And, what CP Snow
calls, a 'shrugging off of any responsibility for the future!' and a
'distrust of generalists and visionaries' - which spells an end to
real social progress of they type rendered by generalists and
visionaries. *Such progress can be expected in areas that the groups,
committees and bureacracies ignore.

Such has happened. *Software and electronics fits this criterion, and
it is in software and electronics that we have had our greatest
advance since 1960.

In the fields of rocketry, nuclear energy, and space travel, we have
not had any significant advance. *Some even question whether such
advance is possible.

Advance is possible. *The cost of energy from nuclear sources
(including the sun) is an inverse function of temperature raised to
the fourth power. *The cost of lift from these same sources is an
inverse function of temperature raised to the one half power.

Westinghouse and GE fixed the temperature of nuclear reactors in 1955
to equal the cost of coal fired plants. *There has been resistance to
high temperature nuclear reactors ever since.

President Lyndon Johnson along with Robert McNamara ended funding on
high temperature rocket research derived from Project Rover in 1963 -
it was LBJ's first as as President. * 1964 budget year was the high
point of NASA, after this time, NASA's budget was slashed and the
Saturn V was the high-water mark for rocketry. *All subsequent rockets
were smaller and less capable and more costly.

Meanwhile, capable trusted people, like Werner vonBraun were sidelined
and taken out of power by 1968.

All of these decisions made sense to the people that made them.

They shrugged off their responsibility to the future, and set the
stage for the beginnings of our decline as a growing vital culture.

Software and electronics avoided this fate.

That situation is being 'corrected' as committees and bureaucracies
are formed to examine the military, political and scientific potential
of these developments, even while special interests remove the means
for continued growth from the hands of the many.

Thus sealing our fate as a failed culture.

Unless something is done to address these issues.

Snow had no remedies, he felt it important to point out the common
mode failure however - and to inspire a younger generation (that of
the 1960s) toward positive action to look into it.

I have given this some thought - and come up with a solution - I call
it tensor money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=istE1bpoDPg


This nation of crooks and rusemasters has way more than its fair share
of secrets and debauchery to cover and to further perpetrate until
hell freezes over. I say we take them down before they get us all
killed and/or bankrupted.

~ BG
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Old September 27th 10, 07:54 PM posted to sci.space.history,sci.space.policy
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Default NRO marks 50th year; any secrets to be revealed?

On Sep 23, 1:21*pm, William Mook wrote:
On Sep 23, 7:02*am, " wrote:

if anything gets out they will have to kill us


If anything is released it will be used to show the public benefits
the agency provides.


And absolutely nothing else that could possibly revise history.

~ BG
 




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