...White House "Rump Group" created the Vision...who were they???

Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Eric Chomko" wrote:

:
:Rand Simberg wrote:
: On 17 Jan 2007 20:43:10 -0800, in a place far, far away, "Eric Chomko"
: made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
: a way as to indicate that:
:
: No Rand, it is more than that. If Libby lied about who knew what and
: when about whether Iraq had WMD and that is a reason for the invasion,
:
: There's no evidence that anyone even asked him any questions about
: that, you moron.
:
: Okay, then what did Libby lie about?
:
: How would I know? I don't know if he lied about anything.
:
:But there are grounds for him being in court for lying. So someone in a
:legal capacity that has spoken to him has found instances where his
:stories were not straight.

Libby made the mistake of being too busy to go in and revise his
testimony (which is normally allowed). Yep, he made false statements
to a Grand Jury under oath, so he should be punished.

But then, Clinton should have been, too.

"...so did Clinton". Small even for you, Freddy.


: What he's
: accused of lying about is who he talked to and when about lying Joe
: Wilson's wife.
:
:So Rand, is it Joe Wilson that you are calling a liar or his wife?

Joe Wilson. You don't read very well, do you?

But I asked Rand, yet you answered. And you claim I can't read?! Why
not trying to figure out who you are before making claims about my
reading ability?


: You're insane to treat this like it were nothing.
:
: It's not nothing. It's prosecutorial abuse.
:
: You're deluded to say the least.
:
: laughing
:
: Someone dared to not tow the
: administration BS line about WMD in Iraq and was made an example of.
:
: If by "not tow [sic] the administration line about WMD," you mean lie
: about what he found on his boondoggle to Africa, and by being "made an
: example of," you mean having his lies exposed, and having the reason
: for his foolish trip explained, then yes.
:
:Rand, Joe Wilson is not the only person on earth that has found that
:there no WMD in Iraq when Bush and Co. said that there were.

In fact, Joe Wilson isn't ANY of the people on earth that have found
that there were no WMD in Iraq.

Wilson knew, among others, that the Bush adminstration tried to create
intel stating Iraq had WMD to justify their envasion.

El Chimpko, if you want to blither on about this, you REALLY need to
at least get the basic facts in hand first.

Those will come out of the trial.

:If Wilson is such a liar then why did Bush's lackies bother with
utting his wife as a CIA agent as punishment?

Note that nobody is being charged with any such thing.

....yet.

--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain

Rand Simberg wrote:
On 23 Jan 2007 11:05:35 -0800, in a place far, far away, "Eric Chomko"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:

So Rand, is it Joe Wilson that you are calling a liar or his wife?

The Senate Intelligence Committee called Joe Wilson a liar, and
documented it.

Oh, so you have a reference to that accusation? You know the one that
states that Joe Wilson is a liar?

Go read the committee report. It doesn't directly accuse him of
lying--it just says that the things he claimed are untrue.

So you were lying when you stated that the SIC called Joe Wilson a
liar?

What things, Rand? You're full of crap as usual...


Someone dared to not tow the
administration BS line about WMD in Iraq and was made an example of.

If by "not tow [sic] the administration line about WMD," you mean lie
about what he found on his boondoggle to Africa, and by being "made an
example of," you mean having his lies exposed, and having the reason
for his foolish trip explained, then yes.

Rand, Joe Wilson is not the only person on earth that has found that
there no WMD in Iraq when Bush and Co. said that there were.

Joe Wilson didn't find that, you idiot.

No he simply knew that! What was his mission to Nigeria about if to
verifiy that Bush and Co. were trying to create false intel in support
of their ill conceived war?

No one, in fact found that, since it's not logically possible to
"find" the absence of something.

Bull****! Not finding WMD in Iraq is a "finding" that Bush and Co. lied
about saying it was there! You're mincing words as usual in your
disingenuous way.


Joe Wilson found evidence that Saddam was seeking uranium from Niger,
and then came back and lied about it, saying that he hadn't. The
Senate Intelligence Committee proved that he was lying.

Where is the evidence that Saddam was looking for uranium? THAT is the
crux of the whole thing. No one has found that Saddam was actually
seeking uranium. You are simply perpetuating the same damn lie!


If Wilson is such a liar then why did Bush's lackies bother with
outting his wife as a CIA agent as punishment?

They didn't, you moron.

Yes they did you imbecile! Why do you think Libby is on trial in the
first place?

Because he lied to a grand jury, you moron. The only charge is
perjury.

Yes, but what did he lie about?


Neither he, nor anyone else, has been charged with "outing his wife as
a CIA agent as punishment." There's no evidence that it happened, in
fact. We know now that the person who "outed" her was Richard
Armitage, a State Department official who was opposed to the war.

Armitage against the war?! Look at PNAC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNAC

Armitage is not against the war. What they did is to use Armitage as a
decoy to thwart the investigation. He's in deep like all the rest, but
their little house of cards isn't holding up. The failure of this war
will be their undoing. They are not operating in the best interest of
America and Americans but mostly for themselves and their wealthy
industrialist cronies. Neocon greed is about to become paleo.

And it wasn't for "punishment." This has been explained to you, many
times before, but we realize you have Alzheimers, and are too stupid
to remember.

You're too dumb to see who runs what and for what. You really think
trickle down economics works and that the rich act in our best
interest.

One wonders if you think Bush's most recent move to escalate in Iraq as
brilliant as you are obviously a Bush apologist and blind supporter of
the neocons.

Eric

On 23 Jan 2007 11:32:12 -0800, in a place far, far away, "Eric Chomko"
made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
a way as to indicate that:

So Rand, is it Joe Wilson that you are calling a liar or his wife?

The Senate Intelligence Committee called Joe Wilson a liar, and
documented it.

Oh, so you have a reference to that accusation? You know the one that
states that Joe Wilson is a liar?

Go read the committee report. It doesn't directly accuse him of
lying--it just says that the things he claimed are untrue.

So you were lying when you stated that the SIC called Joe Wilson a
liar?

No, I was paraphrasing, you moron.

What things, Rand? You're full of crap as usual...

I explained, down below. Wilson claimed that he found no evidence
that Saddam was seeking uranium. His own report belied this.

Rand, Joe Wilson is not the only person on earth that has found that
there no WMD in Iraq when Bush and Co. said that there were.

Joe Wilson didn't find that, you idiot.

No he simply knew that!

No, he didn't know that. No one, in fact knows that.

What was his mission to Nigeria

He had no mission to Nigeria, you moron. He never went to Nigeria.

about if to
verifiy that Bush and Co. were trying to create false intel in support
of their ill conceived war?

That wasn't his mission, you moron. His "mission" such as it was, was
to determine whether or not Saddam's people had been attempting to
purchase uranium. They had.

No one, in fact found that, since it's not logically possible to
"find" the absence of something.

Bull****! Not finding WMD in Iraq is a "finding" that Bush and Co. lied
about saying it was there! You're mincing words as usual in your
disingenuous way.

Eric, I know this is futile, but please stop saying stupid things.
The only person who lied about WMD in Iraq was Joe Wilson.


Joe Wilson found evidence that Saddam was seeking uranium from Niger,
and then came back and lied about it, saying that he hadn't. The
Senate Intelligence Committee proved that he was lying.

Where is the evidence that Saddam was looking for uranium?

In Joe Wilson't report, you moron.

No one has found that Saddam was actually
seeking uranium.

Joe Wilson did, as the Senate Intelligence Committee found.

If Wilson is such a liar then why did Bush's lackies bother with
outting his wife as a CIA agent as punishment?

They didn't, you moron.

Yes they did you imbecile! Why do you think Libby is on trial in the
first place?

Because he lied to a grand jury, you moron. The only charge is
perjury.

Yes, but what did he lie about?

We don't know.

Neither he, nor anyone else, has been charged with "outing his wife as
a CIA agent as punishment." There's no evidence that it happened, in
fact. We know now that the person who "outed" her was Richard
Armitage, a State Department official who was opposed to the war.

Armitage against the war?! Look at PNAC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNAC

Armitage is not against the war. What they did is to use Armitage as a
decoy to thwart the investigation. He's in deep like all the rest, but
their little house of cards isn't holding up. The failure of this war
will be their undoing. They are not operating in the best interest of
America and Americans but mostly for themselves and their wealthy
industrialist cronies. Neocon greed is about to become paleo.

Eric, you're apparently not just stupid and uninformed. You're nuts.

"Eric Chomko" wrote:

:
:Rand Simberg wrote:
: On 18 Jan 2007 18:17:45 -0800, in a place far, far away, "Eric Chomko"
: made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
: a way as to indicate that:
:
: If Wilson is such a liar then why did Bush's lackies bother with
: outting his wife as a CIA agent as punishment?
:
: They didn't, you moron.
:
:Yes they did you imbecile! Why do you think Libby is on trial in the
:first place?

Why do YOU think he's on trial, Eric?

Hint: He is *NOT* on trial for "outting" anyone.

--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"Eric Chomko" wrote:

:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: "Eric Chomko" wrote:
:
: :
: :Rand Simberg wrote:
: : On 17 Jan 2007 20:43:10 -0800, in a place far, far away, "Eric Chomko"
: : made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such
: : a way as to indicate that:
: :
: : No Rand, it is more than that. If Libby lied about who knew what and
: : when about whether Iraq had WMD and that is a reason for the invasion,
: :
: : There's no evidence that anyone even asked him any questions about
: : that, you moron.
: :
: : Okay, then what did Libby lie about?
: :
: : How would I know? I don't know if he lied about anything.
: :
: :But there are grounds for him being in court for lying. So someone in a
: :legal capacity that has spoken to him has found instances where his
: :stories were not straight.
:
: Libby made the mistake of being too busy to go in and revise his
: testimony (which is normally allowed). Yep, he made false statements
: to a Grand Jury under oath, so he should be punished.
:
: But then, Clinton should have been, too.
:
:"...so did Clinton". Small even for you, Freddy.

Simple facts, El Chimpko (yet apparently still to complicated for
someone of your limited intellect to get).

:
: : What he's
: : accused of lying about is who he talked to and when about lying Joe
: : Wilson's wife.
: :
: :So Rand, is it Joe Wilson that you are calling a liar or his wife?
:
: Joe Wilson. You don't read very well, do you?
:
:But I asked Rand, yet you answered.

If you just want to ask Rand, there's this thing called 'email' that's
used for point-to-point communication...

:And you claim I can't read?! Why
:not trying to figure out who you are before making claims about my
:reading ability?

And yet I could read and understand what Rand wrote while you could
not...

:
: : You're insane to treat this like it were nothing.
: :
: : It's not nothing. It's prosecutorial abuse.
: :
: : You're deluded to say the least.
: :
: : laughing
: :
: : Someone dared to not tow the
: : administration BS line about WMD in Iraq and was made an example of.
: :
: : If by "not tow [sic] the administration line about WMD," you mean lie
: : about what he found on his boondoggle to Africa, and by being "made an
: : example of," you mean having his lies exposed, and having the reason
: : for his foolish trip explained, then yes.
: :
: :Rand, Joe Wilson is not the only person on earth that has found that
: :there no WMD in Iraq when Bush and Co. said that there were.
:
: In fact, Joe Wilson isn't ANY of the people on earth that have found
: that there were no WMD in Iraq.
:
:Wilson knew, among others, that the Bush adminstration tried to create
:intel stating Iraq had WMD to justify their envasion.

Poppycock! Cite?

: El Chimpko, if you want to blither on about this, you REALLY need to
: at least get the basic facts in hand first.
:
:Those will come out of the trial.

Lots of them are already out. You, however, are apparently too stupid
to think you should actually know what you're talking about.

: :If Wilson is such a liar then why did Bush's lackies bother with
: utting his wife as a CIA agent as punishment?
:
: Note that nobody is being charged with any such thing.
:
:...yet.

Or ever. The guy who did it has already admitted it in public. No
charges.

Even you should be able to figure that out...

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Now we're really down to an aerospace duopoly. So if Dubya & Co. decide to
give NASA a goal again (which the CAIB and others had urged, and a follow-on
to ISS was coming due as ISS spending began to drop off) it was inevitable
that the Axis of Incompetence would benefit, so the anti-monopoly
corporatism conspiracy theories are flying fast and furious. But, alas for
the True Believers who are Reich on America, Reich on Business, and Reich on
the money (even moreso than Kudlow who at least claims to dislike the lack
of competition in the Offense industry), this is still not a case of
corporate wealthfare for Lockheed and Boeing.

"Jonathan" wrote in message
...

This commision was the first step of the Bush administration to
revamp Nasa and the space industry. Which eventually
became the Vision. Notice the word 'defense' is used
270 times. But don't read it, God forbid you should
know what you're talking about and no longer be
able to mindlessly call everyone a loon.

Checked for terror, wack-job, "Kool Aid drinker," and other favorite Faux
News terms and phrases?

http://www.bay-of-fundie.com/img/200...ol-aid-bof.jpg

"Jonathan" wrote in message
.. .

I was wondering if you'd see that part. What this
says to me is aerospace needs a big infusion of govt
cash so the industry doesn't fall apart.
I don't have a problem at all with the govt preventing
the loss of an important capability.

I'd rather replace antiquated capability.