Mars Ocean found by rovers; whether Mars was an ancient-Pluto orancient-Mercury?? and whether there are coal seams

Before the rovers that landed on Mars found proof of oceanic waters on
ancient Mars I made the claim that Mars probably has coal seams or
probably has existing life still there. Since those posts I have had to
reevaluate those claims.

I am working not on the basis of what the rest of the science community
is working from-- the Nebular Dust Cloud theory. Instead I am working on
the basis of the Growing-Solar-System theory which is a adjunct to
Dirac's new radioactivities that grows not only the Solar System but the
entire cosmos. Cosmic rays can come in energies of up to 10^14 MeV and
come from all directions in the sky and add mass to our Solar System
daily and hourly.

In the Growing Solar System theory the inner planets and the Sun are
about 8 to 10 billion years old but the gas giants from Jupiter to
Neptune are a mere 4 to 5 billion years old. Our Sun was formed by the
conjoinment and swallowing up of many gas giants some 8 to 10 billion
years ago and Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars were satellites of
ancient-gas-giants that escaped the swallowing by the Sun.

In the Growing Solar System theory, Jupiter some 3 to 4 billion years in
the future will become a twin star to our Sun and satellites such as the
Jovian or Saturnian or Uranian satellites, some of which will escape the
swallowing will become inner planets of the new twin star. Europa may
escape the swallowing
and become a EArthlike planet to the twin stars of Sun and Jupiter-star.

This brings us back to the question of whether Mars has coal seams. It
certainly had oceans. And I think the answer lies within the two
possibilities of whether ancient Mars when our Sun was formed by
swallowing up ancient gas giants as to whether Mars was more like Pluto
or whether Mars was more like our present day Mercury. If Mars was more
like Pluto in those ancient times then its water would have been saved
as it got closer to the Sun and through the 6-8 billion years would have
evaporated its water. Suppose Pluto at present had oceans of water and
as it migrated closer and closer to our Sun and ended up about where
Mars is today it will have lost its water.

But now suppose ancient Mars alongside its parent gas-giant migrated
close to the Sun and the gas giant being swallowed by the Sun but Mars
escaping and wandering further away from the Sun in the past 8 to 4
billion years ago. Mars would have occupied the orbital distance that
present day Earth occupies. And thus any water on ancient Mars would be
like the present day Oceans on Earth.
And that ancient Mars may have had a window of opportunity of about 2 to
3
billion years where it had the best orbital distance from the Sun to
support life
and that Ancient Earth was closer to the Sun say perhaps where Venus is
today.

So whether Mars at present has coal seams would depend on whether
ancient Mars was more like present day Mercury or whether it was more
like present day Pluto.

From the looks of things at this moment in time I would bet Ancient Mars
was more like present day Pluto in that it had water and oceans but lost
it during billions of years and never had flourishing life to produce
coal. It had life but not robust life to produce coal.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
www.archimedesplutonium.com
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

26 Mar 2004 03:40:35 GMT Moontanman wrote:

I would still like to know where you got that theory, I've never even heard of
such a theory and if a gas giant was swallowed up by the sun it's moons would
go with it or be flung out of the solar system altogeher. (It's one of those
pesky laws of the universe things!) If mars was a the moon of a gas giant that
was swallowed then the earth, venus, and mercury would also have been distroyed
by the inner migration of that gas giant. As for coal on mars, If Thomas Gold
is right in his book "the Deep Hot Biosphere" then I would expect mars to have
coal, oil and natural gas. So where did you get the theory about the origion of
the solar sytem you talked about in your post?

Moon

Well I refer you to my website of www.iw.net/~a_plutonium to the Growing Solar
System theory under the astronomy section. It is a huge website of about 231
Files.

But to outline it for you, in that I do not accept the BigBang theory nor do I
accept the Nebular Dust Cloud theory. I accept the Atom Totality theory which
thence must trashcan the BigBang and also the Nebular Dust Cloud theory of how
solar systems originate.

Thus Dirac plays a primary role in the Growing Solar System theory with his new
radioactivities. I simply say that Dirac's new radioactivities is "Cosmic Rays"
wherein daily our planets and our Sun is growing larger, and some more than
others. For example, Jupiter is the fastest growing astro body in our solar system
because for some reasons the cosmic-rays shot from the nucleus of the Atom
Totality were targeted more to end up on Jupiter than our Sun or other bodies.

Now, as to why stars are formed from gas giant swallowings is because Quantum
Physics and Electrodynamics is the prime mover of astro bodies and not the force
of gravity. Remember the Titius-Bode formula and how remarkable the distances of
the planets are from the Sun. This is a harmony that cannot be explained by
gravity and the Nebular Dust Cloud theory. This is a harmony that approaches the
harmony and pattern of Balmer spectral lines in QM. So that the distance between
the planets was sort of "ordained". That the Solar System is like a Balmer
Spectral Lines only writ large of the macrocosm instead of the microcosm.

As to your question about gas giant swallowings that their satellites would be
swallowed also or thrown outside the solar system. Well, the mathematics are very
complex and the outcome is not what you think. In fact we have a existing example
in the planet Neptune with its former satellites of Pluto and Charon. Both Pluto
and Charon were moons of Neptune until Neptune wandered off and has begun its
"rendezvous march to conjoin with Jupiter" but instead of Pluto and Charon
following Neptune, those two moons remained behind and Charon linked up with
Pluto.

I cannot tell you what the physics are as to why Neptune answered the beckoning
call of conjoinment with Jupiter, nor can I tell you why some satellites remain
behind and others follow their gas giant. I cannot tell you how Solar Systems have
that high degree of order and ordering and pattern that a Balmer spectral line has
in Quantum Physics. And I realize that many of my above will be altered and
changed but some pieces remain as the truth.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.archimedesplutonium.com
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
Before the rovers that landed on Mars found proof of oceanic waters on
ancient Mars I made the claim that Mars probably has coal seams or
probably has existing life still there.

Hey, that reminds me, what happened to that nutjob who insisted
that "life was as old as coal"?

Did he finally get medicated?

Will AP ever refill his meds? I hear they'll soon be 25% off!

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:56:06 -0600, Anthony Mandic
wrote:

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
Before the rovers that landed on Mars found proof of oceanic waters on
ancient Mars I made the claim that Mars probably has coal seams or
probably has existing life still there.

Hey, that reminds me, what happened to that nutjob who insisted
that "life was as old as coal"?

Did he finally get medicated?

Will AP ever refill his meds? I hear they'll soon be 25% off!


Ed's been quiet since Feb 7th. But his web****e is still up.





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