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NASA: "Water on the Moon!" This is the Shameless Science!
jonathan wrote:
Timing is everything; An Example of the Lowest Form of Science. NASA finds ice on the moon http://www.reuters.com/article/scien...36167620090924 This 'Big Discovery' comes just as the Augustine Report on NASA's future is being released. A report which is /very harsh/ on the notion of returning men to the Moon. See below. What curious timing? One might just think this 'science' is nothing more than a politically motivated show, 'politico-science'...call it, only meant as a last-ditch effort to save the dying idea of building a Moon Colony. An idea even Tom Hanks considers without reason...... "I think in the history of the human race, the moon has been the first place we've gone to and said, 'OK, we don't need to go back there again.'" Hanks said. "And maybe we should do it again?" Axelrod asks. "Well," Hanks says, "the question would be why?" http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in881421.shtml Moon Water is .."THE REASON WHY". A drop of moon water per liter of lunar soil..Wow! FORGET GLOBAL WARMING, we need to be mining water on the flippin' moon for a Trillion Dollar Colony instead. ARE THEY LUNATICS? (literally speaking....yes they are) AMERICA'S SINGLE GREATEST SCIENTIFIC PROGRAM for the next fifty years, a Gilded Safari to the Moon! That's incredibly sad, if not tragic, considering what the world will soon become due to fossil fueled climate change. WHILE THE WORLD BURNS these 'scientists' hold a press conference that's nothing more than a political dog-and-pony show. To justify an immoral waste of taxpayer funds. They should be fired. And let "Moon Water" serve as the fitting epitaph for America's manned space program. Jonathan Moon-Water-Factory or Space Solar Power? Which makes sense? Executive Summary NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY (SERT) PROGRAM http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1 SUMMARY REPORT of the Review of U.S. Human Space Flight "The U.S. human spaceflight program appears to be on an unsustainable trajectory. It is perpetuating the perilous practice of pursuing goals that do not match allocated resources." http://www.ostp.gov/galleries/press_...tineforweb.pdf Given the quantities they're talking about, and the amount of material that would have to be processed to get a useful amount of water, I suspect that shipping water from Earth would still be cheaper than putting the necessary equipment onto the moon. Sylvia. |
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NASA: "Water on the Moon!" This is the Shameless Science!
Sylvia Else wrote:
jonathan wrote: Timing is everything; An Example of the Lowest Form of Science. NASA finds ice on the moon http://www.reuters.com/article/scien...36167620090924 This 'Big Discovery' comes just as the Augustine Report on NASA's future is being released. A report which is /very harsh/ on the notion of returning men to the Moon. See below. What curious timing? One might just think this 'science' is nothing more than a politically motivated show, 'politico-science'...call it, only meant as a last-ditch effort to save the dying idea of building a Moon Colony. An idea even Tom Hanks considers without reason...... "I think in the history of the human race, the moon has been the first place we've gone to and said, 'OK, we don't need to go back there again.'" Hanks said. "And maybe we should do it again?" Axelrod asks. "Well," Hanks says, "the question would be why?" http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in881421.shtml Moon Water is .."THE REASON WHY". A drop of moon water per liter of lunar soil..Wow! FORGET GLOBAL WARMING, we need to be mining water on the flippin' moon for a Trillion Dollar Colony instead. ARE THEY LUNATICS? (literally speaking....yes they are) AMERICA'S SINGLE GREATEST SCIENTIFIC PROGRAM for the next fifty years, a Gilded Safari to the Moon! That's incredibly sad, if not tragic, considering what the world will soon become due to fossil fueled climate change. WHILE THE WORLD BURNS these 'scientists' hold a press conference that's nothing more than a political dog-and-pony show. To justify an immoral waste of taxpayer funds. They should be fired. And let "Moon Water" serve as the fitting epitaph for America's manned space program. Jonathan Moon-Water-Factory or Space Solar Power? Which makes sense? Executive Summary NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY (SERT) PROGRAM http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1 SUMMARY REPORT of the Review of U.S. Human Space Flight "The U.S. human spaceflight program appears to be on an unsustainable trajectory. It is perpetuating the perilous practice of pursuing goals that do not match allocated resources." http://www.ostp.gov/galleries/press_...tineforweb.pdf Given the quantities they're talking about, and the amount of material that would have to be processed to get a useful amount of water, I suspect that shipping water from Earth would still be cheaper than putting the necessary equipment onto the moon. Personally I'm more interested in what happens when statistical cratering rate anomalies meet unanticipated hydrated and icy bodies. Sylvia. |
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NASA: "Water on the Moon!" This is the Shameless Science!
On Sep 24, 6:14*pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
jonathan wrote: Timing is everything; An Example of the Lowest Form of Science. NASA finds ice on the moon http://www.reuters.com/article/scien...36167620090924 This 'Big Discovery' comes just as the Augustine Report on NASA's future is being released. A report which is */very harsh/ *on the notion of returning men to the Moon. See below. What curious timing? *One might just think this 'science' is nothing more than a politically motivated show, 'politico-science'...call it, only meant as a last-ditch effort to save the dying idea of building a Moon Colony.. An idea even Tom Hanks considers without reason...... "I think in the history of the human race, the moon has been the first place we've gone to and said, 'OK, we don't need to go back there again.'" Hanks said. "And maybe we should do it again?" Axelrod asks. "Well," Hanks says, "the question would be why?" http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in881421.shtml Moon Water is .."THE REASON WHY". A drop of moon water per liter of lunar soil..Wow! FORGET GLOBAL WARMING, we need to be mining water on the flippin' moon for a Trillion Dollar Colony instead. ARE THEY LUNATICS? *(literally speaking....yes they are) AMERICA'S SINGLE GREATEST SCIENTIFIC PROGRAM for the next fifty years, a Gilded Safari to the Moon! That's incredibly sad, if not tragic, considering what the world will soon become due to fossil fueled climate change. WHILE THE WORLD BURNS these 'scientists' hold a press conference that's nothing more than a political dog-and-pony show. To justify an immoral waste of taxpayer funds. They should be fired. And let *"Moon Water" *serve as the fitting epitaph for America's manned space program. *Jonathan Moon-Water-Factory or Space Solar Power? Which makes sense? Executive Summary NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY (SERT) PROGRAM http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1 SUMMARY REPORT of the Review of U.S. Human Space Flight "The U.S. human spaceflight program appears to be on an unsustainable trajectory. It is perpetuating the perilous practice of pursuing goals that do not match allocated resources." http://www.ostp.gov/galleries/press_...tineforweb.pdf Given the quantities they're talking about, and the amount of material that would have to be processed to get a useful amount of water, I suspect that shipping water from Earth would still be cheaper than putting the necessary equipment onto the moon. Sylvia. But that would be too easy, and it wouldn't offer job and benefit security. ~ BG |
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NASA: "Water on the Moon!" This is the Shameless Science!
And why would he know any way?
Brian -- Brian Gaff - Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff' in the display name may be lost. Blind user, so no pictures please! "Sylvia Else" wrote in message ... jonathan wrote: Timing is everything; An Example of the Lowest Form of Science. NASA finds ice on the moon http://www.reuters.com/article/scien...36167620090924 This 'Big Discovery' comes just as the Augustine Report on NASA's future is being released. A report which is /very harsh/ on the notion of returning men to the Moon. See below. What curious timing? One might just think this 'science' is nothing more than a politically motivated show, 'politico-science'...call it, only meant as a last-ditch effort to save the dying idea of building a Moon Colony. An idea even Tom Hanks considers without reason...... "I think in the history of the human race, the moon has been the first place we've gone to and said, 'OK, we don't need to go back there again.'" Hanks said. "And maybe we should do it again?" Axelrod asks. "Well," Hanks says, "the question would be why?" http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in881421.shtml Moon Water is .."THE REASON WHY". A drop of moon water per liter of lunar soil..Wow! FORGET GLOBAL WARMING, we need to be mining water on the flippin' moon for a Trillion Dollar Colony instead. ARE THEY LUNATICS? (literally speaking....yes they are) AMERICA'S SINGLE GREATEST SCIENTIFIC PROGRAM for the next fifty years, a Gilded Safari to the Moon! That's incredibly sad, if not tragic, considering what the world will soon become due to fossil fueled climate change. WHILE THE WORLD BURNS these 'scientists' hold a press conference that's nothing more than a political dog-and-pony show. To justify an immoral waste of taxpayer funds. They should be fired. And let "Moon Water" serve as the fitting epitaph for America's manned space program. Jonathan Moon-Water-Factory or Space Solar Power? Which makes sense? Executive Summary NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY (SERT) PROGRAM http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1 SUMMARY REPORT of the Review of U.S. Human Space Flight "The U.S. human spaceflight program appears to be on an unsustainable trajectory. It is perpetuating the perilous practice of pursuing goals that do not match allocated resources." http://www.ostp.gov/galleries/press_...tineforweb.pdf Given the quantities they're talking about, and the amount of material that would have to be processed to get a useful amount of water, I suspect that shipping water from Earth would still be cheaper than putting the necessary equipment onto the moon. Sylvia. |
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NASA: "Water on the Moon!" This is the Shameless Science!
Brian Gaff wrote:
And why would he know any way? It was a rant, Brian. He was ranting. On the usenet. Get it? Brian |
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NASA: "Water on the Moon!" This is the Shameless Science!
kT wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote: jonathan wrote: Timing is everything; An Example of the Lowest Form of Science. NASA finds ice on the moon http://www.reuters.com/article/scien...36167620090924 This 'Big Discovery' comes just as the Augustine Report on NASA's future is being released. A report which is /very harsh/ on the notion of returning men to the Moon. See below. What curious timing? One might just think this 'science' is nothing more than a politically motivated show, 'politico-science'...call it, only meant as a last-ditch effort to save the dying idea of building a Moon Colony. An idea even Tom Hanks considers without reason...... "I think in the history of the human race, the moon has been the first place we've gone to and said, 'OK, we don't need to go back there again.'" Hanks said. "And maybe we should do it again?" Axelrod asks. "Well," Hanks says, "the question would be why?" http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in881421.shtml Moon Water is .."THE REASON WHY". A drop of moon water per liter of lunar soil..Wow! FORGET GLOBAL WARMING, we need to be mining water on the flippin' moon for a Trillion Dollar Colony instead. ARE THEY LUNATICS? (literally speaking....yes they are) AMERICA'S SINGLE GREATEST SCIENTIFIC PROGRAM for the next fifty years, a Gilded Safari to the Moon! That's incredibly sad, if not tragic, considering what the world will soon become due to fossil fueled climate change. WHILE THE WORLD BURNS these 'scientists' hold a press conference that's nothing more than a political dog-and-pony show. To justify an immoral waste of taxpayer funds. They should be fired. And let "Moon Water" serve as the fitting epitaph for America's manned space program. Jonathan Moon-Water-Factory or Space Solar Power? Which makes sense? Executive Summary NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY (SERT) PROGRAM http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1 SUMMARY REPORT of the Review of U.S. Human Space Flight "The U.S. human spaceflight program appears to be on an unsustainable trajectory. It is perpetuating the perilous practice of pursuing goals that do not match allocated resources." http://www.ostp.gov/galleries/press_...tineforweb.pdf Given the quantities they're talking about, and the amount of material that would have to be processed to get a useful amount of water, I suspect that shipping water from Earth would still be cheaper than putting the necessary equipment onto the moon. Personally I'm more interested in what happens when statistical cratering rate anomalies meet unanticipated hydrated and icy bodies. Yes, clearly that's a worry. No doubt about it. But one has to be willing to address more than one problem at a time. Sylvia. |
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NASA: "Water on the Moon!" This is the Shameless Science!
jonathan wrote:
"Sylvia Else" wrote in message ... Given the quantities they're talking about, and the amount of material that would have to be processed to get a useful amount of water, I suspect that shipping water from Earth would still be cheaper than putting the necessary equipment onto the moon. Thanks for replying. I would think the same thing. That any mining would come at the very end of a long and expensive train of hardware. A couple of generations. Don't get me wrong. I also believe that moving into space is the path to a better future. If not our ultimate salvation. Now, well, I'm not so sure about that. If we established self-sufficient colonies in space, then that would obviate the eggs in one basket situation we have now, where a major planatory disaster could wipe out the human race. But the contentious question is, would that matter? After all, said colonies would do nothing to mitigate the suffering that would occur during the disaster. All the colonies would do would be to continue the existence of the race. But is that so important? If the human race were to be completely wiped out, there would, by definition, be no one left to suffer the consquences. So beyond the pain and suffering involved the the process, which would happen anyway, there is no down side to human extinction. A particular question is, if survival of the human race is deemed important, what price should be put on it? How much is the taxpayer willing to pay to ensure the race's survival? My guess would be, not that much. Sylvia. |
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NASA: "Water on the Moon!" This is the Shameless Science!
On Sep 25, 9:16*am, Sylvia Else wrote:
jonathan wrote: "Sylvia Else" wrote in message .. . Given the quantities they're talking about, and the amount of material that would have to be processed to get a useful amount of water, I suspect that shipping water from Earth would still be cheaper than putting the necessary equipment onto the moon. Thanks for replying. I would think the same thing. That any mining would come at the very end of a long and expensive train of hardware. A couple of generations. Don't get me wrong. I also believe that moving into space is the path to a better future. If not our ultimate salvation. Now, well, I'm not so sure about that. If we established self-sufficient colonies in space, then that would obviate the eggs in one basket situation we have now, where a major planatory disaster could wipe out the human race. But the contentious question is, would that matter? After all, said colonies would do nothing to mitigate the suffering that would occur during the disaster. All the colonies would do would be to continue the existence of the race. But is that so important? If the human race were to be completely wiped out, there would, by definition, be no one left to suffer the consquences. So beyond the pain and suffering involved the the process, which would happen anyway, there is no down side to human extinction. A particular question is, if survival of the human race is deemed important, what price should be put on it? How much is the taxpayer willing to pay to ensure the race's survival? My guess would be, not that much. Sylvia. No, but they sure do like to pay a lot to wipe it out! |
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"Water on the Moon!" This is the Shameless Science!
Brian Gaff wrote:
Well, its also perhaps one part of the Science community trying to upstage the upcoming impact. I'm intrigued also by the fact that a measurement made on a flypast back in the last decade has just come to light as a confirmation to the Indian results. The thing is this. On the moon, you get impacts all the time, a good number of these bodies contain water ice. So is it very surprising that the effects of evaporating water are detected? The more intriging finding in my view, is the discovery of water ice at much higher levels and closer to the surface at lower latitudes on Martian fresh craters. Brian Timing is everything; An Example of the Lowest Form of Science. NASA finds ice on the moon http://www.reuters.com/article/scien...36167620090924 This 'Big Discovery' comes just as the Augustine Report on NASA's future is being released. A report which is /very harsh/ on the notion of returning men to the Moon. See below. What curious timing? One might just think this 'science' is nothing more than a politically motivated show, 'politico-science'...call it, only meant as a last-ditch effort to save the dying idea of building a Moon Colony. An idea even Tom Hanks considers without reason...... "I think in the history of the human race, the moon has been the first place we've gone to and said, 'OK, we don't need to go back there again.'" Hanks said. "And maybe we should do it again?" Axelrod asks. "Well," Hanks says, "the question would be why?" http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in881421.shtml Moon Water is .."THE REASON WHY". A drop of moon water per liter of lunar soil..Wow! FORGET GLOBAL WARMING, we need to be mining water on the flippin' moon for a Trillion Dollar Colony instead. ARE THEY LUNATICS? (literally speaking....yes they are) AMERICA'S SINGLE GREATEST SCIENTIFIC PROGRAM for the next fifty years, a Gilded Safari to the Moon! That's incredibly sad, if not tragic, considering what the world will soon become due to fossil fueled climate change. WHILE THE WORLD BURNS these 'scientists' hold a press conference that's nothing more than a political dog-and-pony show. To justify an immoral waste of taxpayer funds. They should be fired. And let "Moon Water" serve as the fitting epitaph for America's manned space program. Jonathan Moon-Water-Factory or Space Solar Power? Which makes sense? Executive Summary NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY (SERT) PROGRAM http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1 SUMMARY REPORT of the Review of U.S. Human Space Flight "The U.S. human spaceflight program appears to be on an unsustainable trajectory. It is perpetuating the perilous practice of pursuing goals that do not match allocated resources." http://www.ostp.gov/galleries/press_...tineforweb.pdf If this were true, it should be bigger news than we've seen so far. It would change the whole paradigm of getting started in space exploration. |
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