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Liquid Puddles found by MER rovers?
Seems Gil Levin's son found some puddles in MER rover images. http://space.newscientist.com/articl...s-surface.html http://tinyurl.com/2sxezk Bob... http://www.commonsensecentral.blogspot.com/ |
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Liquid Puddles found by MER rovers?
On Jun 8, 12:49 pm, rhw007 wrote:
Seems Gil Levin's son found some puddles in MER rover images. http://space.newscientist.com/articl...r-finds-puddle... http://tinyurl.com/2sxezk Bob...http://www.commonsensecentral.blogspot.com/ If not water, then perhaps of something with a much higher boiling point would be less likely to vaporise in that near vacuum. - Brad Guth |
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Liquid Puddles found by MER rovers?
On Jun 8, 12:49 pm, rhw007 wrote:
Seems Gil Levin's son found some puddles in MER rover images. http://space.newscientist.com/articl...r-finds-puddle... http://tinyurl.com/2sxezk Bob...http://www.commonsensecentral.blogspot.com/ Too bad those supposed "Liquid Puddles found by MER rovers" were not the least bit salty. Got any good SWAG as to why no salt? - "whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell - Brad Guth |
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Liquid Puddles found by MER rovers?
rhw007 wrote:
Seems Gil Levin's son found some puddles in MER rover images. http://space.newscientist.com/articl...s-surface.html http://tinyurl.com/2sxezk Bob... http://www.commonsensecentral.blogspot.com/ That they're liquid seems to be only speculation at this stage. Sylvia. |
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Liquid Puddles found by MER rovers?
On Jun 11, 12:15?am, Sylvia Else wrote:
rhw007 wrote: Seems Gil Levin's son found some puddles in MER rover images. http://space.newscientist.com/articl...r-finds-puddle... http://tinyurl.com/2sxezk Bob... http://www.commonsensecentral.blogspot.com/ That they're liquid seems to be only speculation at this stage. Sylvia. if they arent water then what else can they be? |
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Liquid Puddles found by MER rovers?
On Jun 11, 4:17 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
wrote: On Jun 11, 12:15?am, Sylvia Else wrote: rhw007 wrote: Seems Gil Levin's son found some puddles in MER rover images. http://space.newscientist.com/articl...r-finds-puddle... http://tinyurl.com/2sxezk Bob... http://www.commonsensecentral.blogspot.com/ That they're liquid seems to be only speculation at this stage. Sylvia. if they arent water then what else can they be? I have no idea, but that's not the point. You can't do science on a different planet through a remote controlled machine via a process of elimination. As pointed out in the article there is a simple test that could be applied to determine whether the surface is liquid. Until that test, or an equivalent one, is performed, the liquid status is only speculation. Sylvia. Science is all about deductive logic. Obviously you have no such deductive anything, therefore the wheel needs to get reinvented each and every time. I agree that it could be lots of things other than liquid, much less water. Too bad our best science is so pathetic. Perhaps next time the mission of whatever robotic rover should be outfitted with a white cane and having a smart dog. BTW Earth isn't flat, our moon is terribly salty and otherwise rather badly reactive, and Venus is livable for anyone having half a village idiot brain. - "whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell - Brad Guth |
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Liquid Puddles found by MER rovers?
On Jun 8, 2:49 pm, rhw007 wrote:
Seems Gil Levin's son found some puddles in MER rover images. A Planetary Society Blog article written by Emily Lakdawalla thoroughly debunks the claim that puddles were found. The article is he http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00000998/ -- Eric Goldstein |
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Liquid Puddles found by MER rovers?
On Jun 11, 8:35 pm, wrote:
On Jun 8, 2:49 pm, rhw007 wrote: Seems Gil Levin's son found some puddles in MER rover images. A Planetary Society Blog article written by Emily Lakdawalla thoroughly debunks the claim that puddles were found. The article is he http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00000998/ -- Eric Goldstein --- rhw: First of all the image is NOT...repeat NOT...'true false color'. I have REPEATED Ron Levin's proccessing of Opportunity's SOL 290 image using the standard MER filters NASA uses for many many of their own TRUE COLOR images...Red-L2 Green-L5 Blue-L7 and I got the same results which can be viewed in hires gif image he http://home.thirdage.com/Teaching/r...l290puddles.gif As for being inside a 'crater' I repeat a portion of what I stated elsewhe Portions of the 'level' areas could be like a 'stepped terrace' type of terrain where the top part of the image is higher in elevation than the botttom portion of the image...BUT...in between there could be several 'level' areas with reguards to Mars' center of gravity...THUS...water could FLOW from the upper level ground and spill downward into the level areas until they fill up, making a small puddle, those fill up and spill over. And we have to remember that the SURFACE temperature HAS been measured as high as 70 degrees farenheit. Also as the whole planet is on a warming trend more H2O is going from the poles into the atmosphere and increasing the air pressure. The 'blue' MAY indeed be hematite residue...but it is NOT hematite DUST because the higher ROCK portions would HAVE to have it also if this was fine hematite dust kicked up by the wind...the ROCKS are entirely TRUE COLOR GREY...NO BLUE. Come up with a better 'scientific' explanation folks. I have CORRECTLY reproduced Levin's image processing. Try it for yourself. Here are the 3 raw images with proper filters: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gall...IP2273L2M1.HTML http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gall...IP2273L5M1.HTML http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gall...IP2273L7M1.HTML And to further rebut that L2 and L7 are 'false colors' according to NASA here is link where they state they use these filters to...well read for yourself: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/mer/images.cfm?id=2084 "The false color enhances subtle color differences among materials in the rocks and soils of the scene. " So the main thing I get from this is that using L2 and L7 does NOT...repeat NOT introduce colors that are NOT there...they use these filter combinations to ENHANCE EXISTING COLORS...i.e. the process does NOT create colors that were NOT there in the first place...it only makes these colors more easily discernable. Bob... http://www.commonsensecentral.blogspot.com/ |
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Liquid Puddles found by MER rovers?
You are a fool's fool, and then some. Either that or you're another
certified rusemaster, or is it both? In your NASA or ESA koran, it's perfectly OK to colorise whatever in order to create as much false information as possible. Eye popping candy is however not real science, especially when such arguments are intentionally taken so far out of context, with little if any regard for the regular laws of physics. Eric Goldstein is simply a whole lot more correct than anything you've provided. On Jun 11, 5:35 pm, wrote: On Jun 8, 2:49 pm, rhw007 wrote: Seems Gil Levin's son found some puddles in MER rover images. A Planetary Society Blog article written by Emily Lakdawalla thoroughly debunks the claim that puddles were found. The article is he http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00000998/ -- Eric Goldstein Obviously the slope issue alone is pretty much having eliminated any possibility of there being anything liquid. Not that something fluid or at least CO2 frost like thawings hadn't created those eronson patterns. "without having checked the spatial context" is pretty much par for the rusemaster course, as often taken to the extremes by those intent upon promoting and otherwise hyping everything that's Mars, as opposed to otherwise considering the truth as to what a truly active planetology worth of what Venus has to offer. Out of context arguments is also the Zion method of having excluded the raw evidence, as is the same with their brown-nosed Atheist clowns in order to topic/author stalk, bash and impose as much banishment and/ or to deploy as much of their PC trauma as they can muster. Mars is a very dry old desert of a planet that's mostly sub-frozen and otherwise irradiated and rather easily pulverised to death. The only nearby orb that's much worse off is that of our physically dark and highly reactive moon that's also way more salty than Mars. For God's sake, even Mercury is better off than Mars. - "whoever controls the past, controls the future" / George Orwell - Brad Guth On Jun 12, 9:38 am, rhw007 wrote: On Jun 11, 8:35 pm, wrote: On Jun 8, 2:49 pm, rhw007 wrote: Seems Gil Levin's son found some puddles in MER rover images. A Planetary Society Blog article written by Emily Lakdawalla thoroughly debunks the claim that puddles were found. The article is he http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00000998/ -- Eric Goldstein --- rhw: First of all the image is NOT...repeat NOT...'true false color'. I have REPEATED Ron Levin's proccessing of Opportunity's SOL 290 image using the standard MER filters NASA uses for many many of their own TRUE COLOR images...Red-L2 Green-L5 Blue-L7 and I got the same results which can be viewed in hires gif image he http://home.thirdage.com/Teaching/r...l290puddles.gif As for being inside a 'crater' I repeat a portion of what I stated elsewhe Portions of the 'level' areas could be like a 'stepped terrace' type of terrain where the top part of the image is higher in elevation than the botttom portion of the image...BUT...in between there could be several 'level' areas with reguards to Mars' center of gravity...THUS...water could FLOW from the upper level ground and spill downward into the level areas until they fill up, making a small puddle, those fill up and spill over. And we have to remember that the SURFACE temperature HAS been measured as high as 70 degrees farenheit. Also as the whole planet is on a warming trend more H2O is going from the poles into the atmosphere and increasing the air pressure. The 'blue' MAY indeed be hematite residue...but it is NOT hematite DUST because the higher ROCK portions would HAVE to have it also if this was fine hematite dust kicked up by the wind...the ROCKS are entirely TRUE COLOR GREY...NO BLUE. Come up with a better 'scientific' explanation folks. I have CORRECTLY reproduced Levin's image processing. Try it for yourself. Here are the 3 raw images with proper filters: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gall...IP2273L2M1.HTML http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gall...IP2273L5M1.HTML http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gall...IP2273L7M1.HTML And to further rebut that L2 and L7 are 'false colors' according to NASA here is link where they state they use these filters to...well read for yourself: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/mer/images.cfm?id=2084 "The false color enhances subtle color differences among materials in the rocks and soils of the scene. " So the main thing I get from this is that using L2 and L7 does NOT...repeat NOT introduce colors that are NOT there...they use these filter combinations to ENHANCE EXISTING COLORS...i.e. the process does NOT create colors that were NOT there in the first place...it only makes these colors more easily discernable. Bob...http://www.commonsensecentral.blogspot.com/ |
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