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Old March 12th 11, 04:38 PM posted to rec.arts.poems,sci.space.policy,alt.politics,sci.physics
Jonathan
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Default ...Nuclear MELTDOWN in Japan, is US Threatened???



Look at this explosion at 47 seconds into the video.
A violent hydrogen explosion, demolishing such a
heavily reinforced containment building, must have
been the result of a badly overheated reactor.

Japan claims the reactor is intact. But that large of an explosion
could have caused all kinds of damage and leaks that
have yet to be found, or admitted by the Japanese govt.


Japan Nuclear Reactor EXPLOSION Fukushima Meltdown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvC4WQrQwTs


Japan Nuclear Fallout Map? (gulp)
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg


Fukushima overhead view
http://everist.org/pics/misc/fukushima_worse.png


Japan is reporting the prevailing winds are out to sea.
They've already evacuated 300,000 from the area.
And Fukushima #1 is one of the largest 25 reactors
in the world. And was built ...way back..in 1970.
The first reactor built by it's builder.







s





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Old March 12th 11, 05:28 PM posted to rec.arts.poems,sci.space.policy,alt.politics,sci.physics
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Default ...Nuclear MELTDOWN in Japan, is US Threatened???


Some details of the Fukushima nuclear accident
as reported by Wiki


After the March 11, 2011 earthquake, Nuclear Engineering International
reported that units 1, 2 and 3 were automatically shut down, while units 4,
5 and 6 were stopped for maintenance well before that.[8] Due to major
electric disturbances in the region, the electric power for the cooling
turbine was only available from the reactor working. After the stopping,
turbine was transferred to emergency diesel generators, however the
generators installed to provide backup power for the cooling systems for
units 1-3 were damaged by the tsunami;[9] they started up correctly and then
stopped abruptly about 1 hour later.[10] In Japan a nuclear emergency is
declared upon cooling problems. Because cooling is needed to remove residual
reactor heat, a nuclear emergency was declared-for the first time-when the
diesel engines failed. Batteries, which last about eight hours, were being
used to power the reactor controls and valves during the electrical
outage.[11][12][13] Japanese ground forces were said to be trucking
generators and batteries to the site.[14]

An evacuation order was issued to people living within 3 kilometres (1.9 mi)
of the plant, affecting approximately 5,800 residents. People living less
than 10 kilometres (6.2 mi) from the power plant were advised to stay
indoors.[15] Later the evacuation was expanded to a 10 kilometres (6.2 mi)
radius, and then to a 20 kilometres (12 mi) radius.[16][17][18]

On March 12, 2011, after midnight local time, it was reported that the Tokyo
Electric Power Company was considering venting hot gas from the reactor
vessel number 1 into the atmosphere, which could result in the release of
radiation.[19] The Tokyo Electric Company reported that radiation levels
were rising in the turbine building for reactor 1.[20] At 2:00 JST, the
pressure inside the reactor containment was reported to be 600kPa (6 bar or
87 psi), 200 kPa (2 bar or 29 psi) higher than under normal conditions.[10]
At 5:30 JST the pressure inside Reactor 1 was reported to be 2.1 times the
"design capacity",[21] 820 kPa (8.2 bar or 120 psi).[22] At 6:10 JST, the
IAEA reported that unit 2 was also experiencing cooling problems.[23]

Wikinews has related news: Earthquake-damaged Fukushima nuclear power
plant triggers evacuation

To reduce mounting pressure potentially radioactive steam has been released
from the primary circuit, into the secondary containment.[24] On March 12,
2011 at 6:40 JST, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano stated that the amount
of potential radiation would be small and that the prevailing winds are
blowing out to sea.[25] Radiation levels recorded by the plant control room
were reported to be approximately 70 microsieverts (i.e., 7 millirem) per
hour.[26] Radiation levels measured at a monitoring post near the plant's
main gate were reported to be more than eight times above normal.[27][28] In
a press release at 7 am (local) March 12, TEPCO stated "Measurement of
radioactive material (Iodine, etc.) by monitoring car indicates increasing
value compared to normal level. One of the monitoring posts is also
indicating higher than normal level."[18] At 13:30 local time, radioactive
caesium was detected near reactor 1.[29][30] TEPCO reported that at 15:29
JST (06:43 GMT) radiation levels at the site boundary exceeded the
regulatory limits.[31] Fuel rods may have been exposed to the air.[32]

The Prime Minister of Japan, Naoto Kan, visited the plant for a briefing on
March 12, 2011.[33] The Tokyo fire department sent a special nuclear rescue
team to Fukushima.[34]

Over 50,000 have been evacuated during March 12.[35]

An announcement of TEPCO indicated that the gamma ray radiation recorded on
the main gate was increased from 69 nanogray/hour (nGy/h) (4:00 local time,
12 March) to 866nGy/h 40 minutes later and reached the peak of 385.5?Sv/h at
10:30am local time.[36]


NHK Sogo channel TV program screen shot image depicting before and after a
explosion of Fukushima. The collapse is visible from the height difference
of the structure behind the tower relative to the tower. I The news was
broadcast at 18:00 (JST) 12 March 2011.

At 15:36 JST (7:36 GMT) on March 12, there was an explosion at the plant and
that four workers were injured.[37] At 18:43 JST (9:43 GMT), officials had
confirmed that an explosion has occurred at the nuclear plant.[38] Chief
Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano indicated -according to a Reuters report of
21:36 JST (7:36 ET), that the concrete outer structure had collapsed as a
result of a hydrogen explosion triggered by falling water levels. At 19:37
JST (10:37 GMT) Reuters reported that Mr Ian Hore-Lacy, communications
director at the World Nuclear Association, considered the same cause.[39]
Edano further indicated that the container of the reactor had remained
intact and there had been no large leaks of radioactive material.[40] An
increase in radiation levels has been confirmed following the
explosion.[41][42] ABC (Australia) reported "According to the Fukushima
prefectural government, the hourly radiation from the plant reached 1,015
microsievert [0.1015 rem], an amount equivalent to that allowable for
ordinary people in one year."[43][44]

The Guardian reported at 17:35 JST (8:35 GMT) that NHK advising residents of
the Fukushima area "to stay inside, close doors and windows and turn off air
conditioning. They were also advised to cover their mouths with masks,
towels or handkerchiefs" as well as not to drink tap water.[45] At 19:07 JST
(10:07 GMT) Reuters reported that the exclusion zone has been extended to 20
kilometres (12 mi) around the plant.[46] BBC correspondent Nick Ravenscroft
was stopped 60 kilometres (37 mi) from the plant by police.[47] Air traffic
has been restricted in a 20 kilometer radius around the plant, according to
a NOTAM.[48] The BBC has reported as of 22:49 JST (13:49 GMT)

"A team from
the National Institute of Radiological Sciences has been despatched to
Fukushima as a precaution, reports NHK. It was reportedly made up of
doctors, nurses and other individuals with expertise in dealing with
radiation exposure, and had been taken by helicopter to a base 5 km from the
nuclear plant."[38] The BBC has reported as of 23:27 JST (14:27 GMT) "More
than 300,000 people have now been evacuated from homes in northern Japan and
that number will rise as the government increases the exclusion zone around
the Fukushima nuclear power plant."[38]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushi...ar_Power_Plant






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Old March 12th 11, 07:43 PM posted to rec.arts.poems,sci.space.policy,alt.politics,sci.physics
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default ...Nuclear MELTDOWN in Japan, is US Threatened???

On Mar 12, 7:38*am, "Jonathan" wrote:
Look at this explosion at *47 seconds into the video.
A violent hydrogen explosion, demolishing such a
heavily reinforced containment building, must have
been the result of a badly overheated reactor.

Japan claims the reactor is intact. But that large of an explosion
could have caused all kinds of damage and leaks that
have yet to be found, or admitted by the Japanese govt.

Japan Nuclear Reactor EXPLOSION Fukushima Meltdownhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvC4WQrQwTs

Japan Nuclear Fallout Map? *(gulp)http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg

Fukushima overhead viewhttp://everist.org/pics/misc/fukushima_worse.png

Japan is reporting the prevailing winds are out to sea.
They've already evacuated 300,000 from the area.
And Fukushima #1 is one of the largest 25 reactors
in the world. And was built ...way back..in 1970.
The first reactor built by it's builder.

s


That kind of reactor coolant dispersed radiation is certainly bad
news, especially downwind of those secondary spent fuel elements like
plutonium, but it's not likely to be quite as bad off as it could be.
Most of that reactor core will manage to burn its way through the
foundation of its containment, and due to gravity it'll eventually
sink out of sight without another steam explosion unless water is
added.

There’s a good chance that their primary containment vessel is either
badly damaged or nearly worthless. (it’s certainly no longer a sealed
containment)

However, this could get a whole lot worse, if any storm(s) or odd
weather brings any of that nasty cloud of radioactive steam/vapor back
towards land, they may have no option but to abandon ship (so to
speak).

Unfortunately, the ongoing ocean contamination until that containment
burn-through and its fuel sinking into the bedrock/crust of Earth may
take months, or possibly years before it’s 100% nullified. On it’s
way into the crust/bedrock, there will be geothermal and radioactive
fuel saturated vapor explosions as that extremely hot core of mostly
uranium continues to interact with ground water or whatever artificial
coolant seawater getting pumped down the hole that’s melting its way
through basalt, and that superheated steam transported radiation will
likely become atmospheric and downwind nasty. The local and global
cleanup cost to Japan should only be a few trillion dollars per year,
and with 128 million should only cost each and every person $10,000/
year once the bulk of those damaged reactors are nullified.

The good corporate news for other Big Energy, is this makes their BP
blowout fiasco seem woefully insignificant, and their oil as well as
coal worth even more. Other than that, Japan has just put itself into
a no-win foreclosure, unless their rich and powerful start forking out
tens of billions per month.

Again, where and why were all those radon gas detections of pending
earthquakes kept secret or ignored?

http://translate.google.com/#
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  #4  
Old March 12th 11, 07:56 PM posted to rec.arts.poems,sci.space.policy,alt.politics,sci.physics
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Posts: 15,175
Default ...Nuclear MELTDOWN in Japan, is US Threatened???

On Mar 12, 8:28*am, "Jonathan" wrote:
Some details of the Fukushima nuclear accident
as reported by Wiki

After the March 11, 2011 earthquake, Nuclear Engineering International
reported that units 1, 2 and 3 were automatically shut down, while units 4,
5 and 6 were stopped for maintenance well before that.[8] Due to major
electric disturbances in the region, the electric power for the cooling
turbine was only available from the reactor working. After the stopping,
turbine was transferred to emergency diesel generators, however the
generators installed to provide backup power for the cooling systems for
units 1-3 were damaged by the tsunami;[9] they started up correctly and then
stopped abruptly about 1 hour later.[10] In Japan a nuclear emergency is
declared upon cooling problems. Because cooling is needed to remove residual
reactor heat, a nuclear emergency was declared-for the first time-when the
diesel engines failed. Batteries, which last about eight hours, were being
used to power the reactor controls and valves during the electrical
outage.[11][12][13] Japanese ground forces were said to be trucking
generators and batteries to the site.[14]

An evacuation order was issued to people living within 3 kilometres (1.9 mi)
of the plant, affecting approximately 5,800 residents. People living less
than 10 kilometres (6.2 mi) from the power plant were advised to stay
indoors.[15] Later the evacuation was expanded to a 10 kilometres (6.2 mi)
radius, and then to a 20 kilometres (12 mi) radius.[16][17][18]

On March 12, 2011, after midnight local time, it was reported that the Tokyo
Electric Power Company was considering venting hot gas from the reactor
vessel number 1 into the atmosphere, which could result in the release of
radiation.[19] The Tokyo Electric Company reported that radiation levels
were rising in the turbine building for reactor 1.[20] At 2:00 JST, the
pressure inside the reactor containment was reported to be 600kPa (6 bar or
87 psi), 200 kPa (2 bar or 29 psi) higher than under normal conditions.[10]
At 5:30 JST the pressure inside Reactor 1 was reported to be 2.1 times the
"design capacity",[21] 820 kPa (8.2 bar or 120 psi).[22] At 6:10 JST, the
IAEA reported that unit 2 was also experiencing cooling problems.[23]

Wikinews has related news: Earthquake-damaged Fukushima nuclear power
plant triggers evacuation

To reduce mounting pressure potentially radioactive steam has been released
from the primary circuit, into the secondary containment.[24] On March 12,
2011 at 6:40 JST, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano stated that the amount
of potential radiation would be small and that the prevailing winds are
blowing out to sea.[25] Radiation levels recorded by the plant control room
were reported to be approximately 70 microsieverts (i.e., 7 millirem) per
hour.[26] Radiation levels measured at a monitoring post near the plant's
main gate were reported to be more than eight times above normal.[27][28] In
a press release at 7 am (local) March 12, TEPCO stated "Measurement of
radioactive material (Iodine, etc.) by monitoring car indicates increasing
value compared to normal level. One of the monitoring posts is also
indicating higher than normal level."[18] At 13:30 local time, radioactive
caesium was detected near reactor 1.[29][30] TEPCO reported that at 15:29
JST (06:43 GMT) radiation levels at the site boundary exceeded the
regulatory limits.[31] Fuel rods may have been exposed to the air.[32]

The Prime Minister of Japan, Naoto Kan, visited the plant for a briefing on
March 12, 2011.[33] The Tokyo fire department sent a special nuclear rescue
team to Fukushima.[34]

Over 50,000 have been evacuated during March 12.[35]

An announcement of TEPCO indicated that the gamma ray radiation recorded on
the main gate was increased from 69 nanogray/hour (nGy/h) (4:00 local time,
12 March) to 866nGy/h 40 minutes later and reached the peak of 385.5?Sv/h at
10:30am local time.[36]

NHK Sogo channel TV program screen shot image depicting before and after a
explosion of Fukushima. The collapse is visible from the height difference
of the structure behind the tower relative to the tower. I The news was
broadcast at 18:00 (JST) 12 March 2011.

At 15:36 JST (7:36 GMT) on March 12, there was an explosion at the plant and
that four workers were injured.[37] At 18:43 JST (9:43 GMT), officials had
confirmed that an explosion has occurred at the nuclear plant.[38] Chief
Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano indicated -according to a Reuters report of
21:36 JST (7:36 ET), that the concrete outer structure had collapsed as a
result of a hydrogen explosion triggered by falling water levels. At 19:37
JST (10:37 GMT) Reuters reported that Mr Ian Hore-Lacy, communications
director at the World Nuclear Association, considered the same cause.[39]
Edano further indicated that the container of the reactor had remained
intact and there had been no large leaks of radioactive material.[40] An
increase in radiation levels has been confirmed following the
explosion.[41][42] ABC (Australia) reported "According to the Fukushima
prefectural government, the hourly radiation from the plant reached 1,015
microsievert [0.1015 rem], an amount equivalent to that allowable for
ordinary people in one year."[43][44]

The Guardian reported at 17:35 JST (8:35 GMT) that NHK advising residents of
the Fukushima area "to stay inside, close doors and windows and turn off air
conditioning. They were also advised to cover their mouths with masks,
towels or handkerchiefs" as well as not to drink tap water.[45] At 19:07 JST
(10:07 GMT) Reuters reported that the exclusion zone has been extended to 20
kilometres (12 mi) around the plant.[46] BBC correspondent Nick Ravenscroft
was stopped 60 kilometres (37 mi) from the plant by police.[47] Air traffic
has been restricted in a 20 kilometer radius around the plant, according to
a NOTAM.[48] The BBC has reported as of 22:49 JST (13:49 GMT)

"A team from
the National Institute of Radiological Sciences has been despatched to
Fukushima as a precaution, reports NHK. It was reportedly made up of
doctors, nurses and other individuals with expertise in dealing with
radiation exposure, and had been taken by helicopter to a base 5 km from the
nuclear plant."[38] The BBC has reported as of 23:27 JST (14:27 GMT) "More
than 300,000 people have now been evacuated from homes in northern Japan and
that number will rise as the government increases the exclusion zone around
the Fukushima nuclear power plant."[38]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushi...ar_Power_Plant


That report of 385.5 Sv/hr had better be dead wrong, at least we all
need to hope that it's wrong because, otherwise they'll have to
abandon ship and hope for the best. Much greater than 3 Sv isn't
hardly survivable, and 5+ Sv is pretty much certain death (from the
inside out) unless you happen to have banked bone marrow.

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Old March 12th 11, 07:57 PM posted to rec.arts.poems,sci.space.policy,alt.politics,sci.physics
Bob Haller
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Default ...Nuclear MELTDOWN in Japan, is US Threatened???

On Mar 12, 1:43*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Mar 12, 7:38*am, "Jonathan" wrote:





Look at this explosion at *47 seconds into the video.
A violent hydrogen explosion, demolishing such a
heavily reinforced containment building, must have
been the result of a badly overheated reactor.


Japan claims the reactor is intact. But that large of an explosion
could have caused all kinds of damage and leaks that
have yet to be found, or admitted by the Japanese govt.


Japan Nuclear Reactor EXPLOSION Fukushima Meltdownhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvC4WQrQwTs


Japan Nuclear Fallout Map? *(gulp)http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg


Fukushima overhead viewhttp://everist.org/pics/misc/fukushima_worse.png


Japan is reporting the prevailing winds are out to sea.
They've already evacuated 300,000 from the area.
And Fukushima #1 is one of the largest 25 reactors
in the world. And was built ...way back..in 1970.
The first reactor built by it's builder.


s


That kind of reactor coolant dispersed radiation is certainly bad
news, especially downwind of those secondary spent fuel elements like
plutonium, but it's not likely to be quite as bad off as it could be.
Most of that reactor core will manage to burn its way through the
foundation of its containment, and due to gravity it'll eventually
sink out of sight without another steam explosion unless water is
added.

There’s a good chance that their primary containment vessel is either
badly damaged or nearly worthless. (it’s certainly no longer a sealed
containment)

However, this could get a whole lot worse, if any storm(s) or odd
weather brings any of that nasty cloud of radioactive steam/vapor back
towards land, they may have no option but to abandon ship (so to
speak).

Unfortunately, the ongoing ocean contamination until that containment
burn-through and its fuel sinking into the bedrock/crust of Earth may
take months, or possibly years before it’s 100% nullified. *On it’s
way into the crust/bedrock, there will be geothermal and radioactive
fuel saturated vapor explosions as that extremely hot core of mostly
uranium continues to interact with ground water or whatever artificial
coolant seawater getting pumped down the hole that’s melting its way
through basalt, and that superheated steam transported radiation will
likely become atmospheric and downwind nasty. *The local and global
cleanup cost to Japan should only be a few trillion dollars per year,
and with 128 million should only cost each and every person $10,000/
year once the bulk of those damaged reactors are nullified.

The good corporate news for other Big Energy, is this makes their BP
blowout fiasco seem woefully insignificant, and their oil as well as
coal worth even more. *Other than that, Japan has just put itself into
a no-win foreclosure, unless their rich and powerful start forking out
tens of billions per month.

Again, where and why were all those radon gas detections of pending
earthquakes kept secret or ignored?

*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


scientists treport nuke plants worldwide arent built to survive 8 and
9 earthquakes since they are so rare, and would cost so much to build
they wouldnt be cost effective so entually a big one hits. They are
now pumping sea water to try and cool the core.

Will a big chunk of japan end up resembling this?

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-revisited/
  #6  
Old March 12th 11, 08:07 PM posted to rec.arts.poems,sci.space.policy,alt.politics,sci.physics
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default ...Nuclear MELTDOWN in Japan, is US Threatened???

On Mar 12, 10:57*am, bob haller wrote:
On Mar 12, 1:43*pm, Brad Guth wrote:



On Mar 12, 7:38*am, "Jonathan" wrote:


Look at this explosion at *47 seconds into the video.
A violent hydrogen explosion, demolishing such a
heavily reinforced containment building, must have
been the result of a badly overheated reactor.


Japan claims the reactor is intact. But that large of an explosion
could have caused all kinds of damage and leaks that
have yet to be found, or admitted by the Japanese govt.


Japan Nuclear Reactor EXPLOSION Fukushima Meltdownhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvC4WQrQwTs


Japan Nuclear Fallout Map? *(gulp)http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg


Fukushima overhead viewhttp://everist.org/pics/misc/fukushima_worse.png


Japan is reporting the prevailing winds are out to sea.
They've already evacuated 300,000 from the area.
And Fukushima #1 is one of the largest 25 reactors
in the world. And was built ...way back..in 1970.
The first reactor built by it's builder.


s


That kind of reactor coolant dispersed radiation is certainly bad
news, especially downwind of those secondary spent fuel elements like
plutonium, but it's not likely to be quite as bad off as it could be.
Most of that reactor core will manage to burn its way through the
foundation of its containment, and due to gravity it'll eventually
sink out of sight without another steam explosion unless water is
added.


There’s a good chance that their primary containment vessel is either
badly damaged or nearly worthless. (it’s certainly no longer a sealed
containment)


However, this could get a whole lot worse, if any storm(s) or odd
weather brings any of that nasty cloud of radioactive steam/vapor back
towards land, they may have no option but to abandon ship (so to
speak).


Unfortunately, the ongoing ocean contamination until that containment
burn-through and its fuel sinking into the bedrock/crust of Earth may
take months, or possibly years before it’s 100% nullified. *On it’s
way into the crust/bedrock, there will be geothermal and radioactive
fuel saturated vapor explosions as that extremely hot core of mostly
uranium continues to interact with ground water or whatever artificial
coolant seawater getting pumped down the hole that’s melting its way
through basalt, and that superheated steam transported radiation will
likely become atmospheric and downwind nasty. *The local and global
cleanup cost to Japan should only be a few trillion dollars per year,
and with 128 million should only cost each and every person $10,000/
year once the bulk of those damaged reactors are nullified.


The good corporate news for other Big Energy, is this makes their BP
blowout fiasco seem woefully insignificant, and their oil as well as
coal worth even more. *Other than that, Japan has just put itself into
a no-win foreclosure, unless their rich and powerful start forking out
tens of billions per month.


Again, where and why were all those radon gas detections of pending
earthquakes kept secret or ignored?


*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


scientists treport nuke plants worldwide arent built to survive 8 and
9 earthquakes since they are so rare, and would cost so much to build
they wouldnt be cost effective so entually a big one hits. They are
now pumping sea water to try and cool the core.

Will a big chunk of japan end up resembling this?

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-revisited/


Perhaps not nearly as bad as Chernobyl, unless another core goes
postal.

Backup cooling systems shouldn't have failed, nor having been so
poorly configured in the first place. Seawater cooling is their last
resort, though really bad for the fish and anything else that survives
in the ocean.

Why weren't the neutralizing control rods automatically inserted?

Were these reactors being operated and maintained by monkeys?

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  #7  
Old March 12th 11, 08:11 PM posted to rec.arts.poems,sci.space.policy,alt.politics,sci.physics
Bob Haller
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Default ...Nuclear MELTDOWN in Japan, is US Threatened???

On Mar 12, 2:07*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Mar 12, 10:57*am, bob haller wrote:





On Mar 12, 1:43*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Mar 12, 7:38*am, "Jonathan" wrote:


Look at this explosion at *47 seconds into the video.
A violent hydrogen explosion, demolishing such a
heavily reinforced containment building, must have
been the result of a badly overheated reactor.


Japan claims the reactor is intact. But that large of an explosion
could have caused all kinds of damage and leaks that
have yet to be found, or admitted by the Japanese govt.


Japan Nuclear Reactor EXPLOSION Fukushima Meltdownhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvC4WQrQwTs


Japan Nuclear Fallout Map? *(gulp)http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg


Fukushima overhead viewhttp://everist.org/pics/misc/fukushima_worse..png


Japan is reporting the prevailing winds are out to sea.
They've already evacuated 300,000 from the area.
And Fukushima #1 is one of the largest 25 reactors
in the world. And was built ...way back..in 1970.
The first reactor built by it's builder.


s


That kind of reactor coolant dispersed radiation is certainly bad
news, especially downwind of those secondary spent fuel elements like
plutonium, but it's not likely to be quite as bad off as it could be.
Most of that reactor core will manage to burn its way through the
foundation of its containment, and due to gravity it'll eventually
sink out of sight without another steam explosion unless water is
added.


There’s a good chance that their primary containment vessel is either
badly damaged or nearly worthless. (it’s certainly no longer a sealed
containment)


However, this could get a whole lot worse, if any storm(s) or odd
weather brings any of that nasty cloud of radioactive steam/vapor back
towards land, they may have no option but to abandon ship (so to
speak).


Unfortunately, the ongoing ocean contamination until that containment
burn-through and its fuel sinking into the bedrock/crust of Earth may
take months, or possibly years before it’s 100% nullified. *On it’s
way into the crust/bedrock, there will be geothermal and radioactive
fuel saturated vapor explosions as that extremely hot core of mostly
uranium continues to interact with ground water or whatever artificial
coolant seawater getting pumped down the hole that’s melting its way
through basalt, and that superheated steam transported radiation will
likely become atmospheric and downwind nasty. *The local and global
cleanup cost to Japan should only be a few trillion dollars per year,
and with 128 million should only cost each and every person $10,000/
year once the bulk of those damaged reactors are nullified.


The good corporate news for other Big Energy, is this makes their BP
blowout fiasco seem woefully insignificant, and their oil as well as
coal worth even more. *Other than that, Japan has just put itself into
a no-win foreclosure, unless their rich and powerful start forking out
tens of billions per month.


Again, where and why were all those radon gas detections of pending
earthquakes kept secret or ignored?


*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


scientists treport nuke plants worldwide arent built to survive 8 and
9 earthquakes since they are so rare, and would cost so much to build
they wouldnt be cost effective so entually a big one hits. They are
now pumping sea water to try and cool the core.


Will a big chunk of japan end up resembling this?


http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-revisited/


Perhaps not nearly as bad as Chernobyl, unless another core goes
postal.

Backup cooling systems shouldn't have failed, nor having been so
poorly configured in the first place. *Seawater cooling is their last
resort, though really bad for the fish and anything else that survives
in the ocean.

Why weren't the neutralizing control rods automatically inserted?

Were these reactors being operated and maintained by monkeys?

*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


wonder if fred j mc call will ever post here again? he spent so much
time posting about how safe nuke power is..... well was.

the main power failed and the backup generators started but failed
because of eartquake damage......

and heres the fallout map http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-revisited/
  #8  
Old March 12th 11, 08:36 PM posted to rec.arts.poems,sci.space.policy,alt.politics,sci.physics
Bob Haller
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Posts: 3,197
Default ...Nuclear MELTDOWN in Japan, is US Threatened???

On Mar 12, 2:11*pm, bob haller wrote:
On Mar 12, 2:07*pm, Brad Guth wrote:





On Mar 12, 10:57*am, bob haller wrote:


On Mar 12, 1:43*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Mar 12, 7:38*am, "Jonathan" wrote:


Look at this explosion at *47 seconds into the video.
A violent hydrogen explosion, demolishing such a
heavily reinforced containment building, must have
been the result of a badly overheated reactor.


Japan claims the reactor is intact. But that large of an explosion
could have caused all kinds of damage and leaks that
have yet to be found, or admitted by the Japanese govt.


Japan Nuclear Reactor EXPLOSION Fukushima Meltdownhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvC4WQrQwTs


Japan Nuclear Fallout Map? *(gulp)http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg


Fukushima overhead viewhttp://everist.org/pics/misc/fukushima_worse.png


Japan is reporting the prevailing winds are out to sea.
They've already evacuated 300,000 from the area.
And Fukushima #1 is one of the largest 25 reactors
in the world. And was built ...way back..in 1970.
The first reactor built by it's builder.


s


That kind of reactor coolant dispersed radiation is certainly bad
news, especially downwind of those secondary spent fuel elements like
plutonium, but it's not likely to be quite as bad off as it could be.
Most of that reactor core will manage to burn its way through the
foundation of its containment, and due to gravity it'll eventually
sink out of sight without another steam explosion unless water is
added.


There’s a good chance that their primary containment vessel is either
badly damaged or nearly worthless. (it’s certainly no longer a sealed
containment)


However, this could get a whole lot worse, if any storm(s) or odd
weather brings any of that nasty cloud of radioactive steam/vapor back
towards land, they may have no option but to abandon ship (so to
speak).


Unfortunately, the ongoing ocean contamination until that containment
burn-through and its fuel sinking into the bedrock/crust of Earth may
take months, or possibly years before it’s 100% nullified. *On it’s
way into the crust/bedrock, there will be geothermal and radioactive
fuel saturated vapor explosions as that extremely hot core of mostly
uranium continues to interact with ground water or whatever artificial
coolant seawater getting pumped down the hole that’s melting its way
through basalt, and that superheated steam transported radiation will
likely become atmospheric and downwind nasty. *The local and global
cleanup cost to Japan should only be a few trillion dollars per year,
and with 128 million should only cost each and every person $10,000/
year once the bulk of those damaged reactors are nullified.


The good corporate news for other Big Energy, is this makes their BP
blowout fiasco seem woefully insignificant, and their oil as well as
coal worth even more. *Other than that, Japan has just put itself into
a no-win foreclosure, unless their rich and powerful start forking out
tens of billions per month.


Again, where and why were all those radon gas detections of pending
earthquakes kept secret or ignored?


*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


scientists treport nuke plants worldwide arent built to survive 8 and
9 earthquakes since they are so rare, and would cost so much to build
they wouldnt be cost effective so entually a big one hits. They are
now pumping sea water to try and cool the core.


Will a big chunk of japan end up resembling this?


http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-revisited/


Perhaps not nearly as bad as Chernobyl, unless another core goes
postal.


Backup cooling systems shouldn't have failed, nor having been so
poorly configured in the first place. *Seawater cooling is their last
resort, though really bad for the fish and anything else that survives
in the ocean.


Why weren't the neutralizing control rods automatically inserted?


Were these reactors being operated and maintained by monkeys?


*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


wonder if fred j mc call will ever post here again? he spent so much
time posting about how safe nuke power is..... well was.

the main power failed and the backup generators started but failed
because of eartquake damage......

and heres the fallout maphttp://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-revisited/- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg
  #9  
Old March 12th 11, 08:40 PM posted to rec.arts.poems,sci.space.policy,alt.politics,sci.physics
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Posts: 15,175
Default ...Nuclear MELTDOWN in Japan, is US Threatened???

On Mar 12, 11:11*am, bob haller wrote:
On Mar 12, 2:07*pm, Brad Guth wrote:



On Mar 12, 10:57*am, bob haller wrote:


On Mar 12, 1:43*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Mar 12, 7:38*am, "Jonathan" wrote:


Look at this explosion at *47 seconds into the video.
A violent hydrogen explosion, demolishing such a
heavily reinforced containment building, must have
been the result of a badly overheated reactor.


Japan claims the reactor is intact. But that large of an explosion
could have caused all kinds of damage and leaks that
have yet to be found, or admitted by the Japanese govt.


Japan Nuclear Reactor EXPLOSION Fukushima Meltdownhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvC4WQrQwTs


Japan Nuclear Fallout Map? *(gulp)http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg


Fukushima overhead viewhttp://everist.org/pics/misc/fukushima_worse.png


Japan is reporting the prevailing winds are out to sea.
They've already evacuated 300,000 from the area.
And Fukushima #1 is one of the largest 25 reactors
in the world. And was built ...way back..in 1970.
The first reactor built by it's builder.


s


That kind of reactor coolant dispersed radiation is certainly bad
news, especially downwind of those secondary spent fuel elements like
plutonium, but it's not likely to be quite as bad off as it could be.
Most of that reactor core will manage to burn its way through the
foundation of its containment, and due to gravity it'll eventually
sink out of sight without another steam explosion unless water is
added.


There’s a good chance that their primary containment vessel is either
badly damaged or nearly worthless. (it’s certainly no longer a sealed
containment)


However, this could get a whole lot worse, if any storm(s) or odd
weather brings any of that nasty cloud of radioactive steam/vapor back
towards land, they may have no option but to abandon ship (so to
speak).


Unfortunately, the ongoing ocean contamination until that containment
burn-through and its fuel sinking into the bedrock/crust of Earth may
take months, or possibly years before it’s 100% nullified. *On it’s
way into the crust/bedrock, there will be geothermal and radioactive
fuel saturated vapor explosions as that extremely hot core of mostly
uranium continues to interact with ground water or whatever artificial
coolant seawater getting pumped down the hole that’s melting its way
through basalt, and that superheated steam transported radiation will
likely become atmospheric and downwind nasty. *The local and global
cleanup cost to Japan should only be a few trillion dollars per year,
and with 128 million should only cost each and every person $10,000/
year once the bulk of those damaged reactors are nullified.


The good corporate news for other Big Energy, is this makes their BP
blowout fiasco seem woefully insignificant, and their oil as well as
coal worth even more. *Other than that, Japan has just put itself into
a no-win foreclosure, unless their rich and powerful start forking out
tens of billions per month.


Again, where and why were all those radon gas detections of pending
earthquakes kept secret or ignored?


*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


scientists treport nuke plants worldwide arent built to survive 8 and
9 earthquakes since they are so rare, and would cost so much to build
they wouldnt be cost effective so entually a big one hits. They are
now pumping sea water to try and cool the core.


Will a big chunk of japan end up resembling this?


http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-revisited/


Perhaps not nearly as bad as Chernobyl, unless another core goes
postal.


Backup cooling systems shouldn't have failed, nor having been so
poorly configured in the first place. *Seawater cooling is their last
resort, though really bad for the fish and anything else that survives
in the ocean.


Why weren't the neutralizing control rods automatically inserted?


Were these reactors being operated and maintained by monkeys?


*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


wonder if fred j mc call will ever post here again? he spent so much
time posting about how safe nuke power is..... well was.

the main power failed and the backup generators started but failed
because of eartquake damage......

and heres the fallout maphttp://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-revisited/


There are safer reactors and obviously better protected backup systems
for cooling. However, nothing beats the failsafe nature of a reactor
that's fueled by thorium.

As is, looks like the next upgrade for Japan's nuclear energy will
have to be rated to survive a 9.5, such as putting it on a very large
floating platform that can be towed out to sea and sunk in the deepest
trench would do the trick.

http://translate.google.com/#
Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

  #10  
Old March 12th 11, 08:51 PM posted to rec.arts.poems,sci.space.policy,alt.politics,sci.physics
Bob Haller
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 3,197
Default ...Nuclear MELTDOWN in Japan, is US Threatened???

On Mar 12, 2:40*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Mar 12, 11:11*am, bob haller wrote:





On Mar 12, 2:07*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Mar 12, 10:57*am, bob haller wrote:


On Mar 12, 1:43*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


On Mar 12, 7:38*am, "Jonathan" wrote:


Look at this explosion at *47 seconds into the video.
A violent hydrogen explosion, demolishing such a
heavily reinforced containment building, must have
been the result of a badly overheated reactor.


Japan claims the reactor is intact. But that large of an explosion
could have caused all kinds of damage and leaks that
have yet to be found, or admitted by the Japanese govt.


Japan Nuclear Reactor EXPLOSION Fukushima Meltdownhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvC4WQrQwTs


Japan Nuclear Fallout Map? *(gulp)http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg


Fukushima overhead viewhttp://everist.org/pics/misc/fukushima_worse.png


Japan is reporting the prevailing winds are out to sea.
They've already evacuated 300,000 from the area.
And Fukushima #1 is one of the largest 25 reactors
in the world. And was built ...way back..in 1970.
The first reactor built by it's builder.


s


That kind of reactor coolant dispersed radiation is certainly bad
news, especially downwind of those secondary spent fuel elements like
plutonium, but it's not likely to be quite as bad off as it could be.
Most of that reactor core will manage to burn its way through the
foundation of its containment, and due to gravity it'll eventually
sink out of sight without another steam explosion unless water is
added.


There’s a good chance that their primary containment vessel is either
badly damaged or nearly worthless. (it’s certainly no longer a sealed
containment)


However, this could get a whole lot worse, if any storm(s) or odd
weather brings any of that nasty cloud of radioactive steam/vapor back
towards land, they may have no option but to abandon ship (so to
speak).


Unfortunately, the ongoing ocean contamination until that containment
burn-through and its fuel sinking into the bedrock/crust of Earth may
take months, or possibly years before it’s 100% nullified. *On it’s
way into the crust/bedrock, there will be geothermal and radioactive
fuel saturated vapor explosions as that extremely hot core of mostly
uranium continues to interact with ground water or whatever artificial
coolant seawater getting pumped down the hole that’s melting its way
through basalt, and that superheated steam transported radiation will
likely become atmospheric and downwind nasty. *The local and global
cleanup cost to Japan should only be a few trillion dollars per year,
and with 128 million should only cost each and every person $10,000/
year once the bulk of those damaged reactors are nullified.


The good corporate news for other Big Energy, is this makes their BP
blowout fiasco seem woefully insignificant, and their oil as well as
coal worth even more. *Other than that, Japan has just put itself into
a no-win foreclosure, unless their rich and powerful start forking out
tens of billions per month.


Again, where and why were all those radon gas detections of pending
earthquakes kept secret or ignored?


*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


scientists treport nuke plants worldwide arent built to survive 8 and
9 earthquakes since they are so rare, and would cost so much to build
they wouldnt be cost effective so entually a big one hits. They are
now pumping sea water to try and cool the core.


Will a big chunk of japan end up resembling this?


http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-revisited/


Perhaps not nearly as bad as Chernobyl, unless another core goes
postal.


Backup cooling systems shouldn't have failed, nor having been so
poorly configured in the first place. *Seawater cooling is their last
resort, though really bad for the fish and anything else that survives
in the ocean.


Why weren't the neutralizing control rods automatically inserted?


Were these reactors being operated and maintained by monkeys?


*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


wonder if fred j mc call will ever post here again? he spent so much
time posting about how safe nuke power is..... well was.


the main power failed and the backup generators started but failed
because of eartquake damage......


and heres the fallout maphttp://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-revisited/


There are safer reactors and obviously better protected backup systems
for cooling. *However, nothing beats the failsafe nature of a reactor
that's fueled by thorium.

As is, looks like the next upgrade for Japan's nuclear energy will
have to be rated to survive a 9.5, such as putting it on a very large
floating platform that can be towed out to sea and sunk in the deepest
trench would do the trick.

*http://translate.google.com/#
*Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I doubt that would help, theres a theory that seems possible since the
offical looking fallout map shows fatal levels of radiation in the
western US in about 10 days.

The reactor exploded freeing much of its fuel which burned and is now
in the atmosphere.

When chernobyl disaster occured only a tiny fraction of the core
burned, 95% of the fuel is still on site covered by that concrete
scarphous, however thats spelled.

so this accident can be far far worse.

If its true and a fatal cloud is coming to the western US there will
be mass ghaos as never seen before.

i sure hope this map is wrong

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/438/fallout.jpg
 




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