Blueprint for Hydrogen Fuel Infrastructure Development Suppressed

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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:57:22 -0500, Miles Long wrote:

Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.

Hydrogen fuel cells have been knows for decades. See first URL.

MAKING HYDROGEN IS THE PROBLEM, YOU MORON.

But it's fun destroying your pet theories.

R

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...sti_id=7334791


http://www.swiftenterprises.net/pub/... %20CELLS.PDF

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php

MAKING HYDROGEN PEROXIDE REQUIRES MORE ENERGY THAN IT PRODUCES, YOU MORON.
SHOW US THE MATH, OR SHUT YOUR CAKE HOLE.

R

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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:42:33 GMT, "Bob M." wrote:

[...]

Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas
sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from electricity
which
comes mostly from fossil fuels. snip

So, how does it possibly reduce
dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally. Because
the
manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency losses, there would
actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a hydrogen world than without it,
with
more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a scam that is not a solution to our energy
problems.

Who are you trying to kid? Hydrogen peroxide fuel cells are
self-contained,
require no fossil fuels and are totally non-polluting. Hydrogen is
obtained
from hydrogen peroxide. And the source of hydrogen peroxide is equally
non-polluting and required no fossil fuels for production.

http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083


You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or
no Bush.

You will never see hydrogen used as a fuel because of human greed.

And that will cause human extinction.

MAKING HYDROGEN PEROXIDE REQUIRES MORE ENERGY THAN IT PRODUCES, YOU MORON.
SHOW US THE MATH, OR SHUT YOUR CAKE HOLE.

R

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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:42:33 GMT, "Bob M." wrote:

[...]

Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas
sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from electricity
which
comes mostly from fossil fuels. snip

So, how does it possibly reduce
dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally. Because
the
manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency losses, there would
actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a hydrogen world than without it,
with
more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a scam that is not a solution to our energy
problems.

Who are you trying to kid? Hydrogen peroxide fuel cells are
self-contained,
require no fossil fuels and are totally non-polluting. Hydrogen is
obtained
from hydrogen peroxide. And the source of hydrogen peroxide is equally
non-polluting and required no fossil fuels for production.

http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083


You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or
no Bush.

You will never see hydrogen used as a fuel because of human greed.

And that will cause human extinction.

* wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:57:22 -0500, Miles Long wrote:

Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.

Hydrogen fuel cells have been knows for decades. See first URL.


http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...sti_id=7334791


http://www.swiftenterprises.net/pub/...DROGEN%20PEROX
IDE%20FUEL%20CELLS.PDF

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php


There's no "free lunch"

There's no "perpetual motion" machine.

* wrote:
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:57:22 -0500, Miles Long wrote:

Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.

Hydrogen fuel cells have been knows for decades. See first URL.


http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...sti_id=7334791


http://www.swiftenterprises.net/pub/...DROGEN%20PEROX
IDE%20FUEL%20CELLS.PDF

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php


There's no "free lunch"

There's no "perpetual motion" machine.

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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:42:33 GMT, "Bob M." wrote:

[...]

Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas
sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from electricity
which
comes mostly from fossil fuels. snip

So, how does it possibly reduce
dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally. Because
the
manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency losses, there would
actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a hydrogen world than without it,
with
more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a scam that is not a solution to our energy
problems.

Who are you trying to kid? Hydrogen peroxide fuel cells are
self-contained,
require no fossil fuels and are totally non-polluting. Hydrogen is
obtained
from hydrogen peroxide. And the source of hydrogen peroxide is equally
non-polluting and required no fossil fuels for production.

http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083


You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or
no Bush.

You will never see hydrogen used as a fuel because of human greed.

And that will cause human extinction.

Oil won't last forever, even now some people speculate that oil
production has reached it's peak. What would you bet that a cheap
and easy way to produce hydrogen will be "discovered" just in the
nick of time? Greed dictates that the last cent of our money will be
extracted by increasing oil prices as production declines, it's just
human nature. Ahh, "Shell Hydrogen" a nice ring to it?

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...
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:42:33 GMT, "Bob M." wrote:

[...]

Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas
sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from electricity
which
comes mostly from fossil fuels. snip

So, how does it possibly reduce
dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally. Because
the
manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency losses, there would
actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a hydrogen world than without it,
with
more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a scam that is not a solution to our energy
problems.

Who are you trying to kid? Hydrogen peroxide fuel cells are
self-contained,
require no fossil fuels and are totally non-polluting. Hydrogen is
obtained
from hydrogen peroxide. And the source of hydrogen peroxide is equally
non-polluting and required no fossil fuels for production.

http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083


You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or
no Bush.

You will never see hydrogen used as a fuel because of human greed.

And that will cause human extinction.

Oil won't last forever, even now some people speculate that oil
production has reached it's peak. What would you bet that a cheap
and easy way to produce hydrogen will be "discovered" just in the
nick of time? Greed dictates that the last cent of our money will be
extracted by increasing oil prices as production declines, it's just
human nature. Ahh, "Shell Hydrogen" a nice ring to it?

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:24:32 GMT, "Rocketman"
wrote:

[...]

MAKING HYDROGEN IS THE PROBLEM, YOU MORON.


What about this don't you understand?

http://www.alternatefuels.com/hydrogen.htm

Background /Common uses: Free hydrogen is found only in very small traces in
the atmosphere, but solar and stellar spectra show that it is abundant in
the sun and other stars, and is, in fact, the most common element in the
universe. Hydrogen is already used to produce countless products and to
enhance many industrial processes. The U.S. produces 100 billion cubic feet
per year of hydrogen for industry and for the space program. The largest
user of hydrogen is the petroleum industry for converting crude oil into
gasoline and hundreds of chemicals. Sometimes used in welding torches for
welding or cutting metals.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:24:32 GMT, "Rocketman"
wrote:

[...]

MAKING HYDROGEN IS THE PROBLEM, YOU MORON.


What about this don't you understand?

http://www.alternatefuels.com/hydrogen.htm

Background /Common uses: Free hydrogen is found only in very small traces in
the atmosphere, but solar and stellar spectra show that it is abundant in
the sun and other stars, and is, in fact, the most common element in the
universe. Hydrogen is already used to produce countless products and to
enhance many industrial processes. The U.S. produces 100 billion cubic feet
per year of hydrogen for industry and for the space program. The largest
user of hydrogen is the petroleum industry for converting crude oil into
gasoline and hundreds of chemicals. Sometimes used in welding torches for
welding or cutting metals.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:25:45 GMT, "Rocketman"
wrote:

MAKING HYDROGEN PEROXIDE REQUIRES MORE ENERGY THAN IT PRODUCES, YOU MORON.
SHOW US THE MATH, OR SHUT YOUR CAKE HOLE.

Welll somebody better tell the oil industry, because they're using hydrogen
to make gasoline.


R

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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:42:33 GMT, "Bob M." wrote:

[...]

Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas
sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from electricity
which
comes mostly from fossil fuels. snip

So, how does it possibly reduce
dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally. Because
the
manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency losses, there would
actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a hydrogen world than without it,
with
more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a scam that is not a solution to our energy
problems.

Who are you trying to kid? Hydrogen peroxide fuel cells are
self-contained,
require no fossil fuels and are totally non-polluting. Hydrogen is
obtained
from hydrogen peroxide. And the source of hydrogen peroxide is equally
non-polluting and required no fossil fuels for production.

http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083


You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or
no Bush.

You will never see hydrogen used as a fuel because of human greed.

And that will cause human extinction.