Blueprint for Hydrogen Fuel Infrastructure Development Suppressed

* wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:57:22 -0500, Miles Long wrote:


Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.


Hydrogen fuel cells have been knows for decades. See first URL.


http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...sti_id=7334791

http://www.swiftenterprises.net/pub/... %20CELLS.PDF

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php





Didn't say that they weren't known, that with current technologies, it
costs more to produce hydrogen than the gains in it's use.

Miles "Still the Bottom Line" Long

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:12:41 -0500, Miles Long wrote:



* wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:57:22 -0500, Miles Long wrote:


Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.


Hydrogen fuel cells have been knows for decades. See first URL.


http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...sti_id=7334791

http://www.swiftenterprises.net/pub/... %20CELLS.PDF

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php





Didn't say that they weren't known, that with current technologies, it
costs more to produce hydrogen than the gains in it's use.


http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:12:41 -0500, Miles Long wrote:



* wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:57:22 -0500, Miles Long wrote:


Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.


Hydrogen fuel cells have been knows for decades. See first URL.


http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...sti_id=7334791

http://www.swiftenterprises.net/pub/... %20CELLS.PDF

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php





Didn't say that they weren't known, that with current technologies, it
costs more to produce hydrogen than the gains in it's use.


http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083

"Miles Long" wrote in message news:c6m6vo$8n9 The only
energy source that can fill the shoes mentioned above is wind
power. Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.

Miles "Tilting at Windmills" Long

Yes, and if you have wind generated electricity you will sell it directly to
the grid and not make hydrogen out of it. It's a matter of return on
investment. Hydrogen is a politically correct scam.
Bob

"Miles Long" wrote in message news:c6m6vo$8n9 The only
energy source that can fill the shoes mentioned above is wind
power. Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.

Miles "Tilting at Windmills" Long

Yes, and if you have wind generated electricity you will sell it directly to
the grid and not make hydrogen out of it. It's a matter of return on
investment. Hydrogen is a politically correct scam.
Bob

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:16:36 GMT, "Bob M." wrote:


"Miles Long" wrote in message news:c6m6vo$8n9 The only
energy source that can fill the shoes mentioned above is wind
power. Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.

Miles "Tilting at Windmills" Long

Yes, and if you have wind generated electricity you will sell it directly to
the grid and not make hydrogen out of it. It's a matter of return on
investment.

If you have a hydrogen peroxide fuel cell, you don't need to buy energy from
'the grid', which is fueled primarily by petroleum.

http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/...sek.Swift.html

Hydrogen is a politically correct scam.

The politicians are all busy taking over countries for their oil.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:16:36 GMT, "Bob M." wrote:


"Miles Long" wrote in message news:c6m6vo$8n9 The only
energy source that can fill the shoes mentioned above is wind
power. Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.

Miles "Tilting at Windmills" Long

Yes, and if you have wind generated electricity you will sell it directly to
the grid and not make hydrogen out of it. It's a matter of return on
investment.

If you have a hydrogen peroxide fuel cell, you don't need to buy energy from
'the grid', which is fueled primarily by petroleum.

http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/...sek.Swift.html

Hydrogen is a politically correct scam.

The politicians are all busy taking over countries for their oil.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:42:33 GMT, "Bob M." wrote:

[...]

Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas
sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from electricity which
comes mostly from fossil fuels. snip

So, how does it possibly reduce
dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally. Because the
manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency losses, there would
actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a hydrogen world than without it, with
more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a scam that is not a solution to our energy
problems.

Who are you trying to kid? Hydrogen peroxide fuel cells are self-contained,
require no fossil fuels and are totally non-polluting. Hydrogen is obtained
from hydrogen peroxide. And the source of hydrogen peroxide is equally
non-polluting and required no fossil fuels for production.

http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083


You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or
no Bush.

You will never see hydrogen used as a fuel because of human greed.

And that will cause human extinction.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:42:33 GMT, "Bob M." wrote:

[...]

Hydrogen today is made from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas
sometimes coal and other things. Or, it can be made from electricity which
comes mostly from fossil fuels. snip

So, how does it possibly reduce
dependence???? How does it help air quality???, except locally. Because the
manufacturing of hydrogen and it use have efficiency losses, there would
actually be MORE fossil fuels used in a hydrogen world than without it, with
more CO2, etc. Hydrogen is a scam that is not a solution to our energy
problems.

Who are you trying to kid? Hydrogen peroxide fuel cells are self-contained,
require no fossil fuels and are totally non-polluting. Hydrogen is obtained
from hydrogen peroxide. And the source of hydrogen peroxide is equally
non-polluting and required no fossil fuels for production.

http://www.cheresources.com/h2o2.shtml

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...i?artid=242083


You will never see it go anywhere because of these facts, Bush or
no Bush.

You will never see hydrogen used as a fuel because of human greed.

And that will cause human extinction.

"*" wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:57:22 -0500, Miles Long wrote:

Making hydrogen with wind-generated electricity is still not
cost-effective. Red herring...move on.

Hydrogen fuel cells have been knows for decades. See first URL.

MAKING HYDROGEN IS THE PROBLEM, YOU MORON.

But it's fun destroying your pet theories.

R

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...sti_id=7334791


http://www.swiftenterprises.net/pub/... %20CELLS.PDF

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...pcp-121299.php