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Armadillo ****ed at Masten
Says they cheated on the lunar lander prize:
http://nasawatch.com/archives/2009/1...te-erupts.html Pat |
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Armadillo ****ed at Masten
Pat Flannery wrote:
Says they cheated on the lunar lander prize: http://nasawatch.com/archives/2009/1...te-erupts.html I think he was more ****ed at the judges for giving them an extra day. Pat |
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Armadillo ****ed at Masten
Pat Flannery wrote:
Says they cheated on the lunar lander prize: http://nasawatch.com/archives/2009/1...te-erupts.html And now that real money is on the line, we see the 'mammals' starting to behave like the 'dinosaurs'. D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/ -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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Armadillo ****ed at Masten
"Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... Pat Flannery wrote: Says they cheated on the lunar lander prize: http://nasawatch.com/archives/2009/1...te-erupts.html And now that real money is on the line, we see the 'mammals' starting to behave like the 'dinosaurs'. I'm sure there is a bit of complaining over the rules, but the judges do have some lattitude in what they're doing and I'd expect there to be some complaining when they use that lattitude to seemingly help out one of the contestants. That said, I'm subscribed to the ARocket email list, and know that many of the players in this competition are there and communicating with each other on a regular basis (including both Armadillo and Masten). They tend to help each other up the learning curves with information on hardware, procedures, and etc. In this case, the reality is that Masten couldn't have flown without a lot of people *who don't work for Masten* pitching in at the competition and helping them fix their vehicle (apparantly a bit broken from a hard landing?). The reality is that behind the scenes, the mammals really are helping each other out a lot more than the press is letting on, and they're doing so far more activly than the 'dinosaurs' help each other out with each other's traditional cost-plus government contracts. Jeff -- "Take heart amid the deepening gloom that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National Lampoon |
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Armadillo ****ed at Masten
"Jeff Findley" wrote:
"Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... Pat Flannery wrote: Says they cheated on the lunar lander prize: http://nasawatch.com/archives/2009/1...te-erupts.html And now that real money is on the line, we see the 'mammals' starting to behave like the 'dinosaurs'. I'm sure there is a bit of complaining over the rules, but the judges do have some lattitude in what they're doing and I'd expect there to be some complaining when they use that lattitude to seemingly help out one of the contestants. It's more than 'a bit of complaining' Jeff, Armadillo issued a press release protesting the judges using that latitude. That said, I'm subscribed to the ARocket email list, and know that many of the players in this competition are there and communicating with each other on a regular basis (including both Armadillo and Masten). They tend to help each other up the learning curves with information on hardware, procedures, and etc. In this case, the reality is that Masten couldn't have flown without a lot of people *who don't work for Masten* pitching in at the competition and helping them fix their vehicle (apparantly a bit broken from a hard landing?). The reality is that behind the scenes, the mammals really are helping each other out a lot more than the press is letting on, and they're doing so far more activly than the 'dinosaurs' help each other out with each other's traditional cost-plus government contracts. You think I don't subscribe to Arocket? You think I don't know how things work? All your spin and whitewash doesn't change reality - a line has been crossed even though the mammals may not yet realize it. D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/ -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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Armadillo ****ed at Masten
"Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... "Jeff Findley" wrote: "Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... Pat Flannery wrote: Says they cheated on the lunar lander prize: http://nasawatch.com/archives/2009/1...te-erupts.html And now that real money is on the line, we see the 'mammals' starting to behave like the 'dinosaurs'. I'm sure there is a bit of complaining over the rules, but the judges do have some lattitude in what they're doing and I'd expect there to be some complaining when they use that lattitude to seemingly help out one of the contestants. It's more than 'a bit of complaining' Jeff, Armadillo issued a press release protesting the judges using that latitude. Unfortunately, the way the rules were written, it looks like the judges didn't violate the rules when doing so. Protesting may not do any good because of this. That said, I'm subscribed to the ARocket email list, and know that many of the players in this competition are there and communicating with each other on a regular basis (including both Armadillo and Masten). They tend to help each other up the learning curves with information on hardware, procedures, and etc. In this case, the reality is that Masten couldn't have flown without a lot of people *who don't work for Masten* pitching in at the competition and helping them fix their vehicle (apparantly a bit broken from a hard landing?). The reality is that behind the scenes, the mammals really are helping each other out a lot more than the press is letting on, and they're doing so far more activly than the 'dinosaurs' help each other out with each other's traditional cost-plus government contracts. You think I don't subscribe to Arocket? You think I don't know how things work? All your spin and whitewash doesn't change reality - a line has been crossed even though the mammals may not yet realize it. I agree that it looks like a moral line was crossed. The judges seemingly abused their power in a way that favored one of the contestants. If you don't like the rules, don't play the game. Crying foul after the fact won't do you any good. Everyone should have learned this lesson in grade school. In this down economy, people are getting screwed over left and right and there is nothing they can do about it either. I know of a certain company who has had maybe half a dozen rounds of layoffs so they can keep their profit margins high enough. They're still making profits to keep the shareholders happy and insure the higher ups get their bonuses (even as low level employees enjoy a pay freeze and zero bonuses). It makes the employees sick to their stomachs to know that their coworkers are getting laid off just to maintain profits. In my opinion, it's morally repugnant and a whole list of other things, but it's also completely legal. Jeff -- "Take heart amid the deepening gloom that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National Lampoon |
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Armadillo ****ed at Masten
"Jeff Findley" wrote:
"Derek Lyons" wrote in message ... It's more than 'a bit of complaining' Jeff, Armadillo issued a press release protesting the judges using that latitude. Unfortunately, the way the rules were written, it looks like the judges didn't violate the rules when doing so. Protesting may not do any good because of this. If we were discussing the behavior of the judges, you'd have a point. All your spin and whitewash doesn't change reality - a line has been crossed even though the mammals may not yet realize it. I agree that it looks like a moral line was crossed. The judges seemingly abused their power in a way that favored one of the contestants. If we were discussing the behavior of the judges, you'd have a point. unrelated twaddle snipped Your ability to spin away from the point remains unmatched. D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/ -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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