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Jorge R. Frank wrote: easier. And cheaper, and more likely to work. If the authorities of the day choose the former, then by definition they aren't competent. Given the potential air drag of the solar arrays on it when deployed as airbrakes, it shouldn't take much of a retro burn to get it to come down where you want. Somebody's got to film it when they do it, because that's going to light up the whole sky for a couple of hundred mile's radius. Pat |
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On May 17, 2:01 am, "V-for-Vendicar"
wrote: What is the ISS useful for? Existing. Nothing. On the contrary, it exists. Incomptent AmeriKKKan design, Incompetent AmeriKKKan implementation, Incompetent AmeriKKKan management. That may be true, but it exists, nevertheless. Another Failure of AmeriKKKa in space. You can't fail unless you try. |
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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message dakotatelephone... Given the potential air drag of the solar arrays on it when deployed as airbrakes, it shouldn't take much of a retro burn to get it to come down where you want. I once suggested that Mir be wired with sensors for the reentry, but I was about a year too late- the last flight to Mir was already onboard. The last flight to ISS should definitely wire it with cameras and other sensors and several black boxes that can survive the heat and impact. Maybe a few boxes should be mounted outside. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On May 17, 12:01 am, "V-for-Vendicar"
wrote: What is the ISS useful for? Nothing. Incomptent AmeriKKKan design, Incompetent AmeriKKKan implementation, Incompetent AmeriKKKan management. Another Failure of AmeriKKKa in space. As opposed to our having a robust Moon L1 platform/outpost of mostly robotic instruments, or that of a cool POOF City at Venus L2 would be absolutely terrific. .. - Brad Guth |
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On May 17, 3:20 am, Dale Carlson wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:52:16 -0700 (PDT), kT wrote: What would you suggest- boosting it up to orbit forever, while being inaccessible in any practical sense? It's already in orbit. It has to be boosted only so that it remains in orbit, a mere fraction of it's orbital velocity, depending on its drag. It took hundreds of billions of dollars to design, build, launch and construct, including shuttle and Soyuz development and operational costs. Keeping it in orbit only requires only a small fraction of those costs. But how would it then be reached with our current manned craft? They reach it just fine already. I don't see how Shuttle and especially Soyuz development costs enter into it. Launching things to orbit costs money, if you haven't noticed. But raising ISS's orbit to eliminate drag isn't a trivial thing. It is compared with the cost of launching the ISS into orbit. And as I asked before, how then do we access it? With launch vehicles, the same launch vehicles we use to visit it, reboost it, and extend it with. Are you that dumb? I can think of quite a few launch vehicles working right now, the shuttles, Soyuz, two EELVs, Ariane V, and numerous other nationally funded vehicles already into production, including a pair of COTS funded vehicles in development. Reboosting is a continuous process, with very small delta V increments, it's not as if the ISS is going anywhere far away. Is it just an orbital monument? It won't be if you deorbit it. My understanding is that the plan is to scrap it in India, at a dockyard with few environmental or workplace safety standards Your understanding is very weak, let's call it non-existent for brevity. It was a joke. It was a very weak joke as well. Your inability to grasp that says a lot. I grasp a pathetic right wing nut case's attempt at conservative humor. I almost apologized to the group for even responding to you. No need to apologize, this is the usenet, you can respond at will. I'll do that now. Sorry, but you are an idiot. You are the guy wondering how we get to the ISS, or how we could get to the ISS. Hint : with rockets. I am merely proposing residual fuel as a method of reboosting the ISS, which we want to visit anyways, if only as a monument, and then using the rocket bodies to extend it further. But have a nice life anyway. I already have a nice life, thanks. It would be a significantly less pleasant world if it didn't have manned rockets flying to the ISS. |
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On Sat, 17 May 2008 11:24:53 -0500, kT wrote:
I grasp a pathetic right wing nut case's attempt at conservative humor. OK, you got me there. I guess I should stop my frequent (although small ) contributions to the Obama campaign, and be true to my actual right wing beliefs. Thanks for clearing that up for me, and bye bye. Dale I must really be a right wing "nut case", as i always vote liberal. How nutty can a guy get? |
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Dale Carlson wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2008 11:24:53 -0500, kT wrote: I grasp a pathetic right wing nut case's attempt at conservative humor. OK, you got me there. I guess I should stop my frequent (although small ) contributions to the Obama campaign, and be true to my actual right wing beliefs. Thanks for clearing that up for me, and bye bye. I must really be a right wing "nut case", as i always vote liberal. How nutty can a guy get? So you don't think Obama is another status quo candidate? Hahahaha hahahahah ahahah ahahaha ... ****ing rubes. |
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On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:09:00 -0500, kT wrote:
So you don't think Obama is another status quo candidate? Why would you care what I think, as you've dismissed me as being a "pathetic right wing nut case"? Hahahaha hahahahah ahahah ahahaha ... ****ing rubes. Plonk (again- you got out somehow) Dale |
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You got that right. A phenomenal waste of time. You know, it actually didn't use to be. But now that it has morphed into "Everest Watch" instead of NASA Watch, it is really quite different. I submitted some comments to his site pointing out that while what Scott Parazynski is doing a wonderful personal adventure, it actually isn't relevant to watching NASA, and only vaguely has anything to do with real exploration for any one but Scott. In that Scott is doing what many others have already done, and actually following in their footprints as well as their footsteps, there is some symbolic reference to the whole "return to the Moon for the first time" effort. But Keith threw me off his site. "You made your point", he curtly e- mailed me. So let's just all be aware that the "comments" that NASA Watch is now inviting are well filtered, and if they appear to disagree with Keith, even if they are civil and in the spirit of good discourse, they're just not going to show up. That's his prerogative, of course, since it's his website. But the experiment has been done, and the results are pretty clear. Fortunately, there are many other forums that welcome different perspectives, and actually tolerate some intellectual contrariness. |
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Dale Carlson wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2008 21:09:00 -0500, kT wrote: So you don't think Obama is another status quo candidate? Why would you care what I think, as you've dismissed me as being a "pathetic right wing nut case"? In America, the centrists are the problem. Hahahaha hahahahah ahahah ahahaha ... ****ing rubes. |
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