Some questions on GR from a layman

On Mar 9, 2:00Â*am, Koobee Wublee wrote:
On Mar 8, 10:47 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 3/9/11 12:39 AM, Koobee Wublee wrote:

Why double posting? Â*Too much caffeine? Â*Or just about to be driven
off the cliff from the darkside of science?

The so-called triangles you can draw on the surface of a sphere is not
true triangles. Â*The ancient Greeks have already shown so.shrug

Â* Â*Background for Koobee
Â* Â* Â*Quantum Man: Richard Feynman's Life in Science

This is a discussion of science not some biography of a self-styled
physicist, OK? Â*shrug

The sum of angles in a triangle is 180° or π radians (at least in
Euclidean geometry; this statement does not hold in non-Euclidean
geometry).

And yours truly is not denying that. Â*It is the Einstein Dingleberries
who are bringing up non-triangles that don’t add to 2 pi to justify
the significance of curved space.

This was known well before Einstein's time.

Â*Yours truly maintains that you
cannot tell you are in curved space since how curved up space is is
all relative. Â*This is the same reason why the FitzGerald-Lorentz
contraction of SR is not detectable. Â*shrug

-------- Ominous Twists in Relativity -------

"PD" wrote:
Koobee Wublee wrote:
PD wrote:
"Eric Gisse" wrote

Eric Gisse wrote:
Just take a ball, connect any three points with great
circles, &measure the angles. That's all you gotta do.

Koobee Wublee wrote:
You get distorted triangles. shrug

Paul wrote:
Not at all.

KW wrote:
The so-called triangles you can draw on the
surface of a sphere is not true triangles.

Paul wrote:
As I've just explained, that is simply an incorrect
statement. A triangle is a three-straight-sided
polygon in a 2D space. The case mentioned
(and which you've snipped) is exactly that.

KW wrote:
The ancient Greeks have already shown so. shrug

Paul wrote:
No, they didn't.

KW wrote:
PD, please try to catch up on 2,500-plus years of
mathematics. shrug

Paul wrote:
Exactly. Some stuff has been done since the ancient
Greeks, which you probably need to catch up on.

Eric Gisse wrote:
Triangles on spherical surfaces don't have interior
angles that add up to 180, despite your protests
otherwise.

KW wrote:
How the hell did they even graduate you from high
school, college dropout?

Eric Gisse wrote:
Think whatever you want of my education. A piece
of paper won't make you respect me.

------------ REALITY CHECK ------------
hanson wrote:
ahahaha... AHAHAHA... this 3 sided triangle discussion
above between Koobee Wublee, Paul Draper & Eric Gisse
sound like 2 mental patients arguing with their shrink, KW...

Issue at hand: ----- exhibit (a) ------
1) Take 3 each 2 feet long pieces of a thin wire.
2) Twist or solder their ends together, so that you get
a same-sided 3*60 degree Triangle. Then spread
it out on a flat table.
3) Forget to put the triangle over a ball, but "let's have
a ball" and grab a junction, grab the middle of the
opposing side and STRETCH until you have single
3 ft long double wire and then for good measure
fold it in to half to get a 1.5ft long 4-strand wire and
twist it some 30 times so that you have a nice piece
of braided wire, obtained via practical topology.

4) The original flat true triangle has magically become
a braided straight wire with no sign of its origin.
IOW: "Henceforth the triangle by itself, and wire by
itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows,
and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an
independent reality as a straight, braided cord".

Issue at hand: ----- exhibit (b) ------
5) Picasso looked at the beautiful women, and
put her likeness onto the canvass, in a useless
but highly priced painting, by his followers, who
paid all that money because they believed that
"Henceforth the women by herself, and Picasso
by himself, are doomed to fade away into mere
shadows, and only a kind of union of the two
will preserve an independent twisted reality in
an ugly and useless painting.

Issue at hand: ----- exhibit (c) ------
Einstein took Newton's physics and twisted its
concept of space and time into space-time,
about which one of Einstein's irrational cohorts,
Minkowski, declared in Cologne on September
21, 1908: "Henceforth space by itself, and time
by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere
shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will
preserve an independent reality," in which such
space-time has no longer any rational application
in the real world but can twist any experiment to
fit the theory no matter how absurd.... ahahaha...

So much for the mentation that has to twisted the
minds of Paul Draper the teacher, who shall have
the exculpatory excuse that "he merely followed
orders" to convey information from generation to
generation.

So much for the mentation of Eric Gisse, a devoted
30 year old, who was polishing his college school
bench for 9 years, dutifully and uncritically, eating
all that twisted relativity ****, in good faith, & not even
having received the courtesy of a piece of paper with
BSc (Bull**** conveyance) on it for his investment
of time.

Paul, are you too far gone to see what damage
all that Zio tainted physics education, since
1905, has caused, and whose sick and twisted
philosophy you have spread and enabled?.
Even Y. Porat from Israel has seen thru the
scam & con of that warped reality of Einstein's
relativity.. and has loudly warned against it.

Draper Paul, listen to and apologize to Porat.
Eric, listen to and thank Koobee Wublee.
And to all of you, guys... thanks for the laughs
ahahahaha... ahahahahanson

On Mar 9, 6:41*am, PD wrote:
On Mar 9, 12:39*am, Koobee Wublee wrote:

On Mar 8, 9:55 am, PD wrote:

On Mar 7, 11:28 pm, Koobee Wublee wrote:
Eric Gisse wrote:
Just take a ball, connect any three points with great circles, and
measure the angles. That's all you gotta do.

You get distorted triangles. *shrug

Not at all.

The so-called triangles you can draw on the surface of a sphere is not
true triangles.

As I've just explained, that is simply an incorrect statement. A
triangle is a three-straight-sided polygon in a 2D space. The case
mentioned (and which you've snipped) is exactly that.

*The ancient Greeks have already shown so. *shrug

No, they didn't.



PD, please try to catch up on 2,500-plus years of mathematics.
shrug

Exactly. Some stuff has been done since the ancient Greeks, which you
probably need to catch up on.

I've stopped being surprised at his idiocy but I am still rather
impressed he doesn't know about spherical geometry, one of the
'important' geometries. For someone who argued so hard for so many
years about Riemann and stuff, he's pretty damn clueless.

Eric Gisse says...

I've stopped being surprised at his idiocy but I am still rather
impressed he doesn't know about spherical geometry, one of the
'important' geometries. For someone who argued so hard for so many
years about Riemann and stuff, he's pretty damn clueless.

But what he said about Riemannian geometry was complete nonsense.
He doesn't understand the first thing about it.

--
Daryl McCullough
Ithaca, NY

the two of you have managed to disprove navigation;
congratulation!

choose Color Plate One:
http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synerg...es/plates.html
(NB: Bucky commanded a Naval vessel,
just before radio was used.)

"curvature of spacetime" is an empty formalism, although
subjective time is manifestly extremely curvaceous, and
finite. Gauss and Eratosethenes showed, how
space is manifestly curved, using a)
a theodolite of his invention, and b)
two gnomons at two places on one longitude,
at noon.

since relativity is easily done in quaternions,
where the vector & scalar parts are so different,
there shouldn't be much of an argument; eh?

Spudnick,aka "rasterspace" wrote:
congratulation!

hanson wrote:
You are welcome and for your benefit here it is again:
-------- Ominous Twists in Relativity -------

"PD" wrote:
Koobee Wublee wrote:
PD wrote:
"Eric Gisse" wrote

Eric Gisse wrote:
Just take a ball, connect any three points with great
circles, &measure the angles. That's all you gotta do.

Koobee Wublee wrote:
You get distorted triangles. shrug

Paul wrote:
Not at all.

KW wrote:
The so-called triangles you can draw on the
surface of a sphere is not true triangles.

Paul wrote:
As I've just explained, that is simply an incorrect
statement. A triangle is a three-straight-sided
polygon in a 2D space. The case mentioned
(and which you've snipped) is exactly that.

KW wrote:
The ancient Greeks have already shown so. shrug

Paul wrote:
No, they didn't.

KW wrote:
PD, please try to catch up on 2,500-plus years of
mathematics. shrug

Paul wrote:
Exactly. Some stuff has been done since the ancient
Greeks, which you probably need to catch up on.

Eric Gisse wrote:
Triangles on spherical surfaces don't have interior
angles that add up to 180, despite your protests
otherwise.

KW wrote:
How the hell did they even graduate you from high
school, college dropout?

Eric Gisse wrote:
Think whatever you want of my education. A piece
of paper won't make you respect me.

------------ REALITY CHECK ------------
hanson wrote:
ahahaha... AHAHAHA... this 3 sided triangle discussion
above between Koobee Wublee, Paul Draper & Eric Gisse
sound like 2 mental patients arguing with their shrink, KW...

Issue at hand: ----- exhibit (a) ------
1) Take 3 each 2 feet long pieces of a thin wire.
2) Twist or solder their ends together, so that you get
a same-sided 3*60 degree Triangle. Then spread
it out on a flat table.
3) Forget to put the triangle over a ball, but "let's have
a ball" and grab a junction, grab the middle of the
opposing side and STRETCH until you have single
3 ft long double wire and then for good measure
fold it in to half to get a 1.5ft long 4-strand wire and
twist it some 30 times so that you have a nice piece
of braided wire, obtained via practical topology.

4) The original flat true triangle has magically become
a braided straight wire with no sign of its origin.
IOW: "Henceforth the triangle by itself, and wire by
itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows,
and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an
independent reality as a straight, braided cord".

Issue at hand: ----- exhibit (b) ------
5) Picasso looked at the beautiful women, and
put her likeness onto the canvass, in a useless
but highly priced painting, by his followers, who
paid all that money because they believed that
"Henceforth the women by herself, and Picasso
by himself, are doomed to fade away into mere
shadows, and only a kind of union of the two
will preserve an independent twisted reality in
an ugly and useless painting.

Issue at hand: ----- exhibit (c) ------
Einstein took Newton's physics and twisted its
concept of space and time into space-time,
about which one of Einstein's irrational cohorts,
Minkowski, declared in Cologne on September
21, 1908: "Henceforth space by itself, and time
by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere
shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will
preserve an independent reality," in which such
space-time has no longer any rational application
in the real world but can twist any experiment to
fit the theory no matter how absurd.... ahahaha...

So much for the mentation that has to twisted the
minds of Paul Draper the teacher, who shall have
the exculpatory excuse that "he merely followed
orders" to convey information from generation to
generation.

So much for the mentation of Eric Gisse, a devoted
30 year old, who was polishing his college school
bench for 9 years, dutifully and uncritically, eating
all that twisted relativity ****, in good faith, & not even
having received the courtesy of a piece of paper with
BSc (Bull**** conveyance) on it for his investment
of time.

Paul, are you too far gone to see what damage
all that Zio tainted physics education, since
1905, has caused, and whose sick and twisted
philosophy you have spread and enabled?.
Even Y. Porat from Israel has seen thru the
scam & con of that warped reality of Einstein's
relativity.. and has loudly warned against it.

Draper Paul, listen to and apologize to Porat.
Eric, listen to and thank Koobee Wublee.
And to all of you, guys... thanks for the laughs
ahahahaha... ahahahahanson

um, Okay.

"PD" wrote:
Koobee Wublee wrote:
PD wrote:
"Eric Gisse" wrote

Eric Gisse wrote:
Just take a ball, connect any three points with great
circles, &measure the angles. That's all you gotta do.

Koobee Wublee wrote:
You get distorted triangles. shrug

Paul wrote:
Not at all.

KW wrote:
The so-called triangles you can draw on the
surface of a sphere is not true triangles.

Paul wrote:
As I've just explained, that is simply an incorrect
statement. A triangle is a three-straight-sided
polygon in a 2D space. The case mentioned
(and which you've snipped) is exactly that.

KW wrote:
The ancient Greeks have already shown so. shrug

Paul wrote:
No, they didn't.

KW wrote:
PD, please try to catch up on 2,500-plus years of
mathematics. shrug

Paul wrote:
Exactly. Some stuff has been done since the ancient
Greeks, which you probably need to catch up on.

Eric Gisse wrote:
Triangles on spherical surfaces don't have interior
angles that add up to 180, despite your protests
otherwise.

KW wrote:
How the hell did they even graduate you from high
school, college dropout?

Eric Gisse wrote:
Think whatever you want of my education. A piece
of paper won't make you respect me.

------------ REALITY CHECK ------------
hanson wrote:
ahahaha... AHAHAHA... this 3 sided triangle discussion
above between Koobee Wublee, Paul Draper & Eric Gisse
sound like 2 mental patients arguing with their shrink, KW...

Issue at hand: ----- exhibit (a) ------
1) Take 3 each 2 feet long pieces of a thin wire.
2) Twist or solder their ends together, so that you get
a same-sided 3*60 degree Triangle. Then spread
it out on a flat table.
3) Forget to put the triangle over a ball, but "let's have
a ball" and grab a junction, grab the middle of the
opposing side and STRETCH until you have single
3 ft long double wire and then for good measure
fold it in to half to get a 1.5ft long 4-strand wire and
twist it some 30 times so that you have a nice piece
of braided wire, obtained via practical topology.

4) The original flat true triangle has magically become
a braided straight wire with no sign of its origin.
IOW: "Henceforth the triangle by itself, and wire by
itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows,
and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an
independent reality as a straight, braided cord".

Issue at hand: ----- exhibit (b) ------
5) Picasso looked at the beautiful women, and
put her likeness onto the canvass, in a useless
but highly priced painting, by his followers, who
paid all that money because they believed that
"Henceforth the women by herself, and Picasso
by himself, are doomed to fade away into mere
shadows, and only a kind of union of the two
will preserve an independent twisted reality in
an ugly and useless painting.

Issue at hand: ----- exhibit (c) ------
Einstein took Newton's physics and twisted its
concept of space and time into space-time,
about which one of Einstein's irrational cohorts,
Minkowski, declared in Cologne on September
21, 1908: "Henceforth space by itself, and time
by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere
shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will
preserve an independent reality," in which such
space-time has no longer any rational application
in the real world but can twist any experiment to
fit the theory no matter how absurd.... ahahaha...

So much for the mentation that has to twisted the
minds of Paul Draper the teacher, who shall have
the exculpatory excuse that "he merely followed
orders" to convey information from generation to
generation.

So much for the mentation of Eric Gisse, a devoted
30 year old, who was polishing his college school
bench for 9 years, dutifully and uncritically, eating
all that twisted relativity ****, in good faith, & not even
having received the courtesy of a piece of paper with
BSc (Bull**** conveyance) on it for his investment
of time.

Paul, are you too far gone to see what damage
all that Zio tainted physics education, since
1905, has caused, and whose sick and twisted
philosophy you have spread and enabled?.
Even Y. Porat from Israel has seen thru the
scam & con of that warped reality of Einstein's
relativity.. and has loudly warned against it.

Draper Paul, listen to and apologize to Porat.
Eric, listen to and thank Koobee Wublee.
And to all of you, guys... thanks for the laughs
ahahahaha... ahahahahanson