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Old January 19th 04, 12:52 AM
Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the f
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With the limitations on Shuttle missions, can Russia do the needed
upgrades for Hubble? Sure they don't have a robotic arm and NASA
astronauts would have to come along to do the actual maintenance and
secure the upgrades, but could they do the get-there part of the mission
as well as reboost HST?
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Old January 19th 04, 12:58 AM
Jorge R. Frank
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"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
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With the limitations on Shuttle missions, can Russia do the needed
upgrades for Hubble? Sure they don't have a robotic arm and NASA
astronauts would have to come along to do the actual maintenance and
secure the upgrades, but could they do the get-there part of the mission
as well as reboost HST?


The short answer is no.

The long answer is to Google sci.space.* on this topic. It's been answered
so many times in the last two days, it probably needs to be in the FAQ.

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Old January 19th 04, 04:37 AM
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"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
wrote in message
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With the limitations on Shuttle missions, can Russia do the needed
upgrades for Hubble?


No. Where they can launch manned missions they can't reach the
inclination of Hubble. Second, there would be no room to carry
the replacement parts.



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Old January 19th 04, 05:29 AM
Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the f
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Chosp wrote:

"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
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With the limitations on Shuttle missions, can Russia do the needed
upgrades for Hubble?


No. Where they can launch manned missions they can't reach the
inclination of Hubble. Second, there would be no room to carry
the replacement parts.

The gyroscopes are 200 pounds. What else do they need?
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Old January 19th 04, 05:36 AM
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"Jorge R. Frank" wrote:

"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
wrote in :


With the limitations on Shuttle missions, can Russia do the needed
upgrades for Hubble? Sure they don't have a robotic arm and NASA
astronauts would have to come along to do the actual maintenance and
secure the upgrades, but could they do the get-there part of the mission
as well as reboost HST?


The short answer is no.

The long answer is to Google sci.space.* on this topic. It's been answered
so many times in the last two days, it probably needs to be in the FAQ.

I haven't read everything. I looked for anyone else suggesting the idea
before I started a thread. Since we won't have Shuttle for this stuff
anymore, thinking about using Soyuz for this seems like the only option.
If it means something like sending the Soyuz and something else up at
the same time, well, choices are limited.
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Old January 19th 04, 05:54 AM
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In ,
Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )
spewed:
Chosp wrote:

"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
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With the limitations on Shuttle missions, can Russia do the needed
upgrades for Hubble?


No. Where they can launch manned missions they can't reach the
inclination of Hubble. Second, there would be no room to carry
the replacement parts.

The gyroscopes are 200 pounds. What else do they need?


Fuel for delta-V and plane changes. Soyuz carries squat-all for fuel.


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Old January 19th 04, 08:19 AM
Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the f
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Ned Pike wrote:

In ,
Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )
spewed:
Chosp wrote:

"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
wrote in message
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With the limitations on Shuttle missions, can Russia do the needed
upgrades for Hubble?

No. Where they can launch manned missions they can't reach the
inclination of Hubble. Second, there would be no room to carry
the replacement parts.

The gyroscopes are 200 pounds. What else do they need?


Fuel for delta-V and plane changes. Soyuz carries squat-all for fuel.

So Soyuz can't get to HST no matter what? Is that the problem?



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Old January 19th 04, 08:34 AM
Bruce Sterling Woodcock
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"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
wrote in message
...


Ned Pike wrote:

In ,
Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )
spewed:
Chosp wrote:

"Bill Bonde ( the oblique allusion in lieu of the frontal attack )"
wrote in message
...

With the limitations on Shuttle missions, can Russia do the needed
upgrades for Hubble?

No. Where they can launch manned missions they can't reach the
inclination of Hubble. Second, there would be no room to carry
the replacement parts.

The gyroscopes are 200 pounds. What else do they need?


Fuel for delta-V and plane changes. Soyuz carries squat-all for fuel.

So Soyuz can't get to HST no matter what? Is that the problem?


Well, they could if they launched from KSC...

Bruce


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Old January 20th 04, 01:15 AM
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Progress tanker, with remote control / camera system and a simple grappling
probe?
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Old January 20th 04, 03:18 AM
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why not hook onto it with an unmanned progress, use a bunch of planned tiny
burns bring it down gradually into an orbit and inclination "close" to the ISS,
where astronauts could work on it yet be "close" to rescue, *then* work on it
and re-boost it the same way? Seems a better bet than throwing it away...
 




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