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..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically) Repeating Itself
On Oct 29, 9:42 am, Paul Foley wrote:
I can see why India might like to send astronauts to the moon. For them, it would be a big deal to demonstrate that they are as technologically advanced as the US was 30 years ago. 30 years ago, in 1977, the US would have found it utterly impossible :-) |
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..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically) Repeating Itself
On Oct 28, 6:03 pm, BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 27, 8:35 pm, Matt wrote: On Oct 27, 9:59 pm, BradGuth wrote: On Oct 27, 8:42 pm, macruzq wrote: On Oct 27, 10:06 pm, "Jonathan" wrote: First Bush and his Vision to the moon, then Japan, India and now China all gearing up to go back to the moon. WHY? The same reason for Apollo, we were in a ....military...race with the Soviets. The Cold War. Now....the reason everyone is going back to the moon??? MISSILE DEFENSE. So, I guess after another FIFTY GODDAMMED YEARS we'll end up with nothing more to show than the last FIFTY YEARS IN SPACE. Lots of really cool..very..expensive weapons we'll probably never use. And a bunch of completely useless hardware lying about on the moon. Just like the ISS, the Grand Accomplishment of the last FIFTY YEARS in space. What a ****ing... excuse my lanquage, but it's so incredibly infuriating to think about, no other word will do.... ..what a ****ing waste. Hey, hey! Calm down! Moon is TOO FAR to launch a missile. It is not practical. Missiles or any weapons installed on the Moon is simply a stupid idea. But as easily deployed from the moon's L1 isn't exactly half bad. - Brad Guth -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Interceptor missiles launched from the moon or L1 would take hours to reach near-Earth space - that's hopelessly too slow to affect a ballistic missile attack from one point on Earth to another. Lasers or other directed energy beams would spread too much at that range. No one will put offensive missiles in such places, either: the enormous effort of hauling the things up there is worthless given that a war using Earth-based ballistic missiles will be over before missiles needing (at best) hours to reach Earth can have any effect. I agree, but a tethered platform of those nifty gigaWatt laser cannons could rather easily be established to reach within 2r of Earth, and in space there's not all that much beam divergence. Besides, a swarm of nuclear warheads as incoming from the moon's L1 would be next to impossible to divert or kill off any sufficient number before it's too late, especially since many of those items could be of dirt cheap phony decoys (perhaps made in China or India). Actually, the fly-by-rocket task of getting loads of nifty stuff into the moon's L1 orbit isn't all that spendy, especially if you're not in any hurry for getting stuff there in the first place. - Brad Guth - BTW, any WWIII task will only be accomplished by an all out first strike effort, and if it were launched from the tethered platform that's merely 2r from the core of Earth (that distance being 6371 km from Earth's surface) is not such a great fly-by-rocket distance to travel, especially when having the gravity assist of Earth working on behalf of those items launched towards Earth, which should arrive within less than 10 minutes. - Brad Guth - |
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..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically) Repeating Itself
On Oct 28, 6:06 pm, Neil Gerace wrote:
On Oct 29, 9:42 am, Paul Foley wrote: I can see why India might like to send astronauts to the moon. For them, it would be a big deal to demonstrate that they are as technologically advanced as the US was 30 years ago. 30 years ago, in 1977, the US would have found it utterly impossible :-) That's the whole truth and nothing but the truth. (utterly impossible, even as of today it is not human DNA friendly, nor do we have a viable lander) - Brad Guth - |
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..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically) RepeatingItself
Scott Ferrin wrote: Only because you're mind is unable to grasp the concepts I'm talking about. You do know everything I say is from established courses taught at almost every respectable university in the world. You DO KNOW THAT RIGHT? Because ridiculing science because you can't understand it is generally the domain of the religious and ignorant. Which are you? -- "Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is only stupid." -- Heinrich Heine ROFL! Your post sounds like it was written by a sterotypical conspiracy freak. Maybe you could give us a rational explanation of the so-called connection between returning to the moon and missile defense? Remember, this is the guy who thinks that if you wait around long enough, rocks will come alive all on their own. If they don't have some sort of giant popular uprising during the Beijing Olympics, his whole world view is going to fall apart. Pat |
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..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically) RepeatingItself
Joe Strout wrote: It's a bit sad to see, because you weren't always like this. Brad Guth, as far as I've been aware of him, has always been a nutball. But you were a reasonable newbie a couple years ago, with a simple passion for space solar power, which in itself is not unreasonable. But now you've gone off the deep end, alas. When he first arrived he stated that he did drugs, and that he intended to post things he really didn't really belive in to see how people reacted to them. In short, he looks upon himself as the researcher and the people in the newsgroups he posts to as something like mice running around in his maze. Pat |
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..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically) Repeating Itself
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:26:42 -0600, Pat Flannery
wrote: When he first arrived he stated that he did drugs, and that he intended to post things he really didn't really belive in to see how people reacted to them. ....I remember that as well. IIRC, we also tracked him down through IP address lookups to somewhere in Puget Sound, and one of our regulars actually concluded that he was living in a flop above an old gas station. Between the drugs and the octane fumes, it's no wonder Guthball went nuts. In short, he looks upon himself as the researcher and the people in the newsgroups he posts to as something like mice running around in his maze. ....Oh, bull****. He's just making that up in a lame-assed attempt to claim he's the only sane one here. Bottom Line: The true test of sanity is whether or not you've sent Brad Guth, Jonathan, and Elfritz to Killfile Hell, where they can sodomize each other for eternity with Eric Chumpko and his wife, Fred McCall. If you haven't killfiled these trolling *******s, then you're just as insane as they are. Seriously. OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ |
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..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically) Repeating Itself
On Oct 29, 9:26 am, Pat Flannery wrote:
I was referring to "Jonathan" from down in Florida. Guth's moved BTW; he's now out in a fairly good-sized house at last check (a couple of years ago) via a phone book and Google maps search. Right about my having moved as of more than a decade ago. Good grief, these silly folks are seriously out of touch, arnt they, and they don't seem to know how a telephone works. You could even visit and I wouldn't so terribly mind. China's (CNSA) moon mission: Chang'e-1 should become downright interesting, that is if they can manage to keep their stuff from running into JAXA's KAGUYA/(SELENE) mission of three orbiting items. As reported, China's lunar probe will supposedly remain at roughly 200 km, thus keeping a safe 100 km distance away from the KAGUYA/(SELENE) mission, at least that's plan-A. (From The Yomiuri Shimbun, Oct. 29, 2007) "China's space technology was already at a high level. China has launched more than 100 Long March rockets since 1970, while Japan's H2- A rocket has been launched only 13 times." KAGUYA/(SELENE) HDTV/CCD imaging getting its first full solar dosage or skewed saturation of those pesky raw secondary photons. http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/10/20071021_kaguya_e.pdf http://www.selene.jaxa.jp/index_e.htm http://www.kaguya.jaxa.jp/en/ Notice as to all of those unavoidable UV secondary/recoil worth of bluish and/or extra violet saturation that KAGUYA/(SELENE) HDTV is having to deal with, even though their having incorproated a sufficient UV spectrum cut-off filter and currently using not more than 1% worth of their HDTV dynamic range(DR), even so having no problems with recording the physically dark moon along with Earth that's not even half the albedo worth of Vemus which also has greater than 2.6 kw/m2 to work with. Far better images are soon enough going to be accomplished, especially with those other onboard CCD instruments that'll far exceed what most previous science about our extremely unusual moon. Once their version of PhotoShop image colour adjustments are made, the true depth of that physically dark contrast and spectrum of those natural mineral rich moon colors will emerge (with far more extensive scope than the naked human eye can detect). Once again, it's really too bad that we still don't have anything established within the moon's L1, much less accomplishing those 1 meter/pixel images that eventually KAGUYA/(SELENE) will likely manage to accomplish towards the end of its one year mission, as the KAGUYA/ (SELENE) orbit becomes less than 10 km. - Brad Guth - |
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..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically) RepeatingItself
OM wrote: When he first arrived he stated that he did drugs, and that he intended to post things he really didn't really belive in to see how people reacted to them. ...I remember that as well. IIRC, we also tracked him down through IP address lookups to somewhere in Puget Sound, and one of our regulars actually concluded that he was living in a flop above an old gas station. Between the drugs and the octane fumes, it's no wonder Guthball went nuts. I was referring to "Jonathan" from down in Florida. Guth's moved BTW; he's now out in a fairly good-sized house at last check (a couple of years ago) via a phone book and Google maps search. Pat |
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..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically) RepeatingItself
Craig Fink wrote:
robert casey wrote: The Moon's a lousy place to park your nuke bomb missiles Nukes are old technology, they should be bannned. Yes, but how do you enforce that ban? As it is, the USA is the only nuke owner that ever actually used any "in anger", as they say in the military. Way back a hundred or so years, the guy who invented TNT or was it dynamite, Mr. Nobel (the guy who set up the Nobel peace prizes) thought that such high explosives would make war too fearsome to do anymore. Turns out he was off by an order of magnitude or 2. So far, after WW2 and the USA nuking those two Japanese cities, nobody ever dropped any more nuke bombs. Today, what's worrisome is some place like Iran developing their own nuke bombs, and their leadership may become crazy enough to actually use them. At least the Russians and Chinese, and even the Indians and Pakastanians(sp) understand would would happen if they dropped any nukes, and none of them really wanted that to happen. |
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..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically) Repeating Itself
On Oct 29, 1:13 pm, robert casey wrote:
Craig Fink wrote: robert casey wrote: The Moon's a lousy place to park your nuke bomb missiles Nukes are old technology, they should be bannned. Yes, but how do you enforce that ban? As it is, the USA is the only nuke owner that ever actually used any "in anger", as they say in the military. Way back a hundred or so years, the guy who invented TNT or was it dynamite, Mr. Nobel (the guy who set up the Nobel peace prizes) thought that such high explosives would make war too fearsome to do anymore. Turns out he was off by an order of magnitude or 2. So far, after WW2 and the USA nuking those two Japanese cities, nobody ever dropped any more nuke bombs. They would have if they could have, and today there's a good dozen such nuke capable alternatives from which those and much worse dirty atomic bombs could get deployed, not to mention what good a little semitic engineered VX couldn't finish off. Today, what's worrisome is some place like Iran developing their own nuke bombs, and their leadership may become crazy enough to actually use them. You mean that our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) and his faith-based partners in crimes against humanity could provoke them into defending themselves. At least the Russians and Chinese, and even the Indians and Pakastanians(sp) understand would would happen if they dropped any nukes, and none of them really wanted that to happen. But with some faith-based efforts that would make those crazy Zion Yids into happy campers, by all means they could be provoked into using them. In which case we'd have to return the favor with all the love and affection of those almighty atomic bombs that we could muster, and we've got way more than our fair share of those bad boys in our inventory, possibly even enough to take on the whole anti- semitic world. - Brad Guth - |
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