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First Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin Never Denied Seeing God In Space



 
 
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Old July 19th 06, 04:18 PM posted to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.atheism,rec.aviation.military,soc.culture.russian,sci.space.policy
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http://www.catholic.org/internationa...y.php?id=19417


Interfax: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian
colonel said

4/12/2006


Interfax (www.Interfax-religion.com)



MOSCOW (Interfax) - Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space 45 years
ago April 12, was a believer and could not have uttered the famous
words attributed to him that he "has been to space and has seen no
God," according to the first cosmonaut's colleague and good friend.

Col. Valentin Petrov, an associate professor at the Russian Gagarin Air
Force Academy and former teacher of cosmonauts, stated in an April 12,
2006, interview to the Moscow-based Interfax News Service, stated that
the phrase belonged to Soviet leader Nikita Khruschev and was said
during the party meeting devoted to anti-religious propaganda.

"At that time, Khruschev gave all the party and komsomol
organizations the task to promote this propaganda and said: 'Why
should you clutch at God? Look, Gagarin flew in space and saw no
God," the Russian colonel said.

With time, he added, these words began to be deliberately ascribed to
Gagarin, "who was the people's favorite and such a statement from
his lips could be of tremendous importance."

Meanwhile, Petrov insisted, "Yuri was baptized just as any Russian
and, as far as I can know, was a believer" and he just could not
"utter such words."

On April 12, 1961, Gagarin made history, as the 4 3/4-ton Vostok 1
spacecraft orbited the Earth once in 1 hour 29 minutes at a maximum
altitude of 187 miles and landed less than two hours after its launch.

He died almost seven years later at 34 years of age in an airplane
accident, flying as a test-pilot.

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Old July 19th 06, 04:31 PM posted to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.atheism,rec.aviation.military,soc.culture.russian,sci.space.policy
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
He died almost seven years later at 34 years of age in an airplane
accident, flying as a test-pilot.


Your God sure treats his believers well.

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Old July 19th 06, 04:37 PM posted to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.atheism,rec.aviation.military,soc.culture.russian,sci.space.policy
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Default First Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin Never Denied Seeing God In Space

In article .com, "Sound
of Trumpet" wrote:

http://www.catholic.org/internationa...y.php?id=19417


Interfax: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian
colonel said

4/12/2006


Interfax (www.Interfax-religion.com)



MOSCOW (Interfax) - Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space 45 years
ago April 12, was a believer and could not have uttered the famous
words attributed to him that he "has been to space and has seen no
God," according to the first cosmonaut's colleague and good friend.

Col. Valentin Petrov, an associate professor at the Russian Gagarin Air
Force Academy and former teacher of cosmonauts, stated in an April 12,
2006, interview to the Moscow-based Interfax News Service, stated that
the phrase belonged to Soviet leader Nikita Khruschev and was said
during the party meeting devoted to anti-religious propaganda.

"At that time, Khruschev gave all the party and komsomol
organizations the task to promote this propaganda and said: 'Why
should you clutch at God? Look, Gagarin flew in space and saw no
God," the Russian colonel said.

With time, he added, these words began to be deliberately ascribed to
Gagarin, "who was the people's favorite and such a statement from
his lips could be of tremendous importance."

Meanwhile, Petrov insisted, "Yuri was baptized just as any Russian
and, as far as I can know, was a believer" and he just could not
"utter such words."

On April 12, 1961, Gagarin made history, as the 4 3/4-ton Vostok 1
spacecraft orbited the Earth once in 1 hour 29 minutes at a maximum
altitude of 187 miles and landed less than two hours after its launch.

He died almost seven years later at 34 years of age in an airplane
accident, flying as a test-pilot.



Reads like a weak attempt at revisionist history. For sure it's little
more than clutching at straws by those trying to justify their own
religious beliefs.

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Old July 19th 06, 05:09 PM posted to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.atheism,rec.aviation.military,soc.culture.russian,sci.space.policy
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Default First Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin Never Denied Seeing God In Space


He died almost seven years later at 34 years of age in an airplane
accident, flying as a test-pilot.


A test pilot? He was flying as a student, getting re-qualified on jets
after a long grounding. His commanders didn't want him flying because
they didn't want a national hero dying in a stupid way. Finally, they
relented and Yuri died on his first training flight. The accident board
said the crash was 'pilot error, due to inappropriate manuevers'
(striking the ground at a 40-degree angle). An uncontrolled dive in
crappy weather proved fatal and clipped off trees at the accident site,
even today, show the pronounced angle at which Yuri and his instructor
struck the ground.

I know that internet cites agree with your posted article's statement,
but facts concerning his death are not in dispute.

The other problem I have with your posted article is that it makes
absolute statements about what Gagarin could or could not have said,
based on his religion. I know plenty of otherwise religious people who
have said things in conflict with their ideology so one man's assertion
to the contrary is hardly evidence. Note, no one asked Yuri if he had
said it or not - its just an educated guess. I hate those.

v/r
Gordon
(Yuri fan)

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Old July 19th 06, 06:17 PM posted to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.atheism,rec.aviation.military,soc.culture.russian,sci.space.policy
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/internationa...y.php?id=19417


Interfax: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian
colonel said

4/12/2006


There's apologetics, there's sophistry, and there's clutching at
straws. Yup. Jeebus is breathing his last.

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Old July 19th 06, 07:11 PM posted to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.atheism,rec.aviation.military,soc.culture.russian,sci.space.policy
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Sasha wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
He died almost seven years later at 34 years of age in an airplane
accident, flying as a test-pilot.


Your God sure treats his believers well.


Last I checked, everybody dies.

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Old July 19th 06, 07:23 PM posted to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.atheism,rec.aviation.military,soc.culture.russian,sci.space.policy
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Default First Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin Never Denied Seeing God In Space

FatKat wrote:
Sasha wrote:
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
He died almost seven years later at 34 years of age in an airplane
accident, flying as a test-pilot.

Your God sure treats his believers well.


Last I checked, everybody dies.


At age 34?

Colin Day aa #1500
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Old July 19th 06, 09:52 PM posted to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.atheism,rec.aviation.military,soc.culture.russian,sci.space.policy
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Default First Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin Never Denied Seeing God In Space

On 19 Jul 2006 08:18:42 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
wrote:


Interfax: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian
colonel said


So what?
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Old July 19th 06, 10:25 PM posted to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.atheism,rec.aviation.military,soc.culture.russian,sci.space.policy
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Default First Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin Never Denied Seeing God In Space


Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/internationa...y.php?id=19417


Interfax: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian
colonel said


I bet he never denied seeing the IPU (PBUH) either.

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Old July 20th 06, 01:15 AM posted to alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.atheism,rec.aviation.military,soc.culture.russian,sci.space.policy
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Default Have any astronauts ever said that they did see god while in orbit?

In article .com,
says...

http://www.catholic.org/internationa...y.php?id=19417


Interfax: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian
colonel said


Have any astronauts ever said that they did see god while in orbit?



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