Zubrin and Park will debate!

(Greg Kuperberg) wrote in
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In article ,
Rand Simberg wrote:
Yes, an irrelevant debate of two strawmen, a false choice, as though
the only two possibilities are "no people in space--they're useless!"
versus Apollo to Mars...

Why not wait to hear what they have to say before dismissing it?

Both have already spoken volumes on the subject. There is no need to listen
to more, unless one or both have radically changed their positions lately.
Which I doubt.

Rand is right. "Zubrin vs. Park, on the subject of space policy" is about
as interesting as "Beavis vs. Butt-head, on the subject of hot chicks."

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In article ,
Rand Simberg wrote:
And who in the hell elected Bob Park to be a space expert?
From the page http://www.aps.org/praw/forum/98winner.html :

1998 Joseph A. Burton Award to Robert Lee Park

Citation: "For 'telling it like it is' with his widely-read What's
New and through other means on physics-related aspects of science
and public policy issues."
....
What does the American Physical Society know about space policy?

Amazingly enough, some physicists and even mathematicians are also
first-rate engineers. Robert Goddard was a physics professor.
James Van Allen not only discovered the Van Allen belts and helped
design satellites, he also designed vacuum tubes and proximity fuses.
Eugene Wigner, a theoretical physicist, helped design the first useful
nuclear reactor, at Hanford, WA. William B. Shockley, who helped found
Silicon Valley, was a physicist by training.

And, closer to the point, most contemporary experimental and applied
physicists often have to think like engineers. In many cases it's close
to aerospace engineering. So the APS represents a lot of people with
very relevant knowledge.
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In article ,
Rand Simberg wrote:
And who in the hell elected Bob Park to be a space expert?
From the page http://www.aps.org/praw/forum/98winner.html :

1998 Joseph A. Burton Award to Robert Lee Park

Citation: "For 'telling it like it is' with his widely-read What's
New and through other means on physics-related aspects of science
and public policy issues."
....
What does the American Physical Society know about space policy?

Amazingly enough, some physicists and even mathematicians are also
first-rate engineers. Robert Goddard was a physics professor.
James Van Allen not only discovered the Van Allen belts and helped
design satellites, he also designed vacuum tubes and proximity fuses.
Eugene Wigner, a theoretical physicist, helped design the first useful
nuclear reactor, at Hanford, WA. William B. Shockley, who helped found
Silicon Valley, was a physicist by training.

And, closer to the point, most contemporary experimental and applied
physicists often have to think like engineers. In many cases it's close
to aerospace engineering. So the APS represents a lot of people with
very relevant knowledge.
--
/\ Greg Kuperberg (UC Davis)
/ \
\ / Visit the Math ArXiv Front at http://front.math.ucdavis.edu/
\/ * All the math that's fit to e-print *

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 05:43:47 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Greg Kuperberg) made the phosphor on
my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

In article ,
Rand Simberg wrote:
And who in the hell elected Bob Park to be a space expert?
From the page http://www.aps.org/praw/forum/98winner.html :

1998 Joseph A. Burton Award to Robert Lee Park

Citation: "For 'telling it like it is' with his widely-read What's
New and through other means on physics-related aspects of science
and public policy issues."
...
What does the American Physical Society know about space policy?

Amazingly enough, some physicists and even mathematicians are also
first-rate engineers.

Who said otherwise?

That doesn't answer the question.

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 05:43:47 +0000 (UTC), in a place far, far away,
(Greg Kuperberg) made the phosphor on
my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

In article ,
Rand Simberg wrote:
And who in the hell elected Bob Park to be a space expert?
From the page http://www.aps.org/praw/forum/98winner.html :

1998 Joseph A. Burton Award to Robert Lee Park

Citation: "For 'telling it like it is' with his widely-read What's
New and through other means on physics-related aspects of science
and public policy issues."
...
What does the American Physical Society know about space policy?

Amazingly enough, some physicists and even mathematicians are also
first-rate engineers.

Who said otherwise?

That doesn't answer the question.

On 04 Feb 2004 05:41:29 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Jorge R.
Frank" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

Yes, an irrelevant debate of two strawmen, a false choice, as though
the only two possibilities are "no people in space--they're useless!"
versus Apollo to Mars...

Why not wait to hear what they have to say before dismissing it?

Both have already spoken volumes on the subject. There is no need to listen
to more, unless one or both have radically changed their positions lately.
Which I doubt.

Well, to be fair, Bob Z. has gotten a little smarter lately, and
learned how to mouth platitudes about free enterprise to try to
broaden his Mars tent. I doubt that he's actually changed his mind,
though.

Rand is right. "Zubrin vs. Park, on the subject of space policy" is about
as interesting as "Beavis vs. Butt-head, on the subject of hot chicks."

Actually, the latter might be more entertaining, if not informative...

On 04 Feb 2004 05:41:29 GMT, in a place far, far away, "Jorge R.
Frank" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

Yes, an irrelevant debate of two strawmen, a false choice, as though
the only two possibilities are "no people in space--they're useless!"
versus Apollo to Mars...

Why not wait to hear what they have to say before dismissing it?

Both have already spoken volumes on the subject. There is no need to listen
to more, unless one or both have radically changed their positions lately.
Which I doubt.

Well, to be fair, Bob Z. has gotten a little smarter lately, and
learned how to mouth platitudes about free enterprise to try to
broaden his Mars tent. I doubt that he's actually changed his mind,
though.

Rand is right. "Zubrin vs. Park, on the subject of space policy" is about
as interesting as "Beavis vs. Butt-head, on the subject of hot chicks."

Actually, the latter might be more entertaining, if not informative...

(Greg Kuperberg) wrote:

What does the American Physical Society know about space policy?


snip irrelevant handwaving issue dodging rhetoric.

Care to actually answer the question?

D.
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(Greg Kuperberg) wrote:

What does the American Physical Society know about space policy?


snip irrelevant handwaving issue dodging rhetoric.

Care to actually answer the question?

D.
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"Jorge R. Frank" wrote:

Rand is right. "Zubrin vs. Park, on the subject of space policy" is about
as interesting as "Beavis vs. Butt-head, on the subject of hot chicks."

B V. B is actually *more* interesting.

D.
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