Robotic Flyby Spectroscopy of an Asteroid

On Apr 13, 6:34*pm, American wrote:
On Apr 13, 5:03*pm, Brad Guth wrote:



On Apr 13, 11:54*am, American wrote:

On Apr 12, 6:59*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

It seems our moon/Selene has way more than its fair share of thorium
(10 ppm), as though it once belonged to a thorium rich planet such as
Venus.
*http://www.lunar-research-institute....1999/thorium_g...

*~ BG

Nothing like having a rogue uranium freighter mining the L-Chrondites
long before the moon underground becomes populated by a bunch of earth-
watchers IMO.

What's more fun than a porkulus of moon bats setting up motels on the
moon for rich people, so that everything their already-whored earth
has to offer them in the form of some twisted "environmental
replacement therapy" can only look inward towards their own hidden
agenda (more mind control for masses of earthly whoremongers IMO).

IMO mining for either thorium or uranium has to be done pretty much on
the fly, or we'll end up seeing moon bases like this producing nothing
but diminishing returns on the investment.

Fruits of labor have to sometimes die and produce yet greater
opportunity for succeeding generations of those who can begin again
to *intentionally imprint their own "seed faith", given the pristine
surroundings that are conducive to meditating on some of the more
profound scientific theories, hypotheses, and alternatives -
alternatives *to oppressive scientific regimes, as they exist so much
more ever-presently, in this nation and throughout the world.

Thus the best opportunities for growth are at the earth, or (earth-
like) sphere, however IMO even moon-based 3D VR machines for people
like millionaires, entertainment enthusiasts, and those not interested
in incessantly promoting the ideas and fortunes of the moon as a very
temporal "waystation" should be relegated to their local descending
level within Dante's Lunar Inferno.

Are you one of these?

By the time moon bases are achieved, we (should) have FTL vehicles
exploring the galaxy, and new earths being discovered on a monthly
basis. What happens when these new earths are ready for the human race
to migrate to them? Do you think that most of us will wish to stay
"left behind" with our moon bases and 3D VR machines?

I can only agree with you that the moon should serve as a nuclear
(thorium) fuel depot, and maybe possibly some kind of respite for
renewed gravitational reclamation in this case - nothing else is worth
the investment, IMO.

American

You seem to have your FTL cart well ahead of the mule team again.

You do realize there's a minor difference between being on the moon as
opposed to safely within the moon?

*~ BG- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When our government admits with START, that ALL non-nuclear weapons of
rogue nations, under the non-proliferation treaty, are either (i)
overseas contingencies or (ii) man-caused disasters, and there can be
no longer a nuclear option in the event of an intercontinental (as
well as off-world) THREAT, and there then is an absolute mandate to
accomplish an orbital/off-world PRESENCE, under the umbrella of
nuclear protection and power.

The current administration is (inadvertantly?) working against
establishing an independent, off-world presence by attempting to
enforce a progressive indoctrination (and protocol) over its citizenry
(us?) without protecting its sovereignity (theirs?).

ANYONE can see now that this is a power grab by the noxious adherents
(progressives) of America's own scientific and cultural descendency!

Admittedly, we should rather be building an army of atomic spaceships,
NOT nuclear forensic scientists!

American

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/s...ons/index.html

The USA and Russia could agree to a joint nuclear force which entails
a radical reduction in the total number of weapons

Country Warheads active/total* Year of first test CTBT status

Five nuclear weapons states from the NPT

United States 2,626 / 9,400 1945
("Trinity") Signatory
Russia (former Soviet Union) 4,650 / 12,000 1949 ("RDS-1") Ratifier
United Kingdom 160 / 185 1952
("Hurricane") Ratifier
France ~300 / 300 1960
("Gerboise Bleue") Ratifier
China ~180 / 240 1964
("596") Signatory

Non-NPT nuclear powers

India n.a. / 60-80 1974
("Smiling Buddha") Non-signatory
Pakistan n.a. / 70-90 1998
("Chagai-I") Non-signatory
North Korea n.a. / 10 2006 (2006
test) Non-signatory

Undeclared nuclear powers

Israel n.a. / 80 possibly
1979 (See Vela Incident) Signatory

At its peak the world had over 65,000 active nuclear warheads. ALL
that material, and additional stockpiles of weapons grade materials
are held, primarily in the USA and USSR. Enough to build 250,000
nuclear weapons.

This material far and away exceeds the fissile materials used for
nuclear power plants.

http://www.princeton.edu/sgs/

We could easily bring the nuclear weapons research labs under one
international agency, controlled by the USA and Russia, and convert
the world's weapons grade materials into 20,000,000 fissile nuclear
pulse triggers, that would detonate aneutronic fusion powered
propulsive pulse units.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimat...lse_propulsion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aneutronic_fusion

These triggers, totally useless without anti-protons to fire them,
are a far safer configuration for the fissile materials than anything
else, and far simpler to create. When used to trigger a fusion pulse,
they form a substantial and safe lift capacity.

One thousand pulses are needed for most missions, this is sufficient
to support 20,000 flight cycles. Lift capacity is a function of pulse
yield. A 10,000 ton spacecraft is easily achievable. Such a
spacecraft could send 5,000 tons to Mars or the Moon or GEO and return
for reuse, in as little as 60 days for Mars, and as little as 60 hours
for the Moon or GEO. Six flights per year would be possible for each
Mars ship, 60 flights per year for the Moon ship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project..._propulsion%29

75 ships each massing 10,000 tons at lift off, costing less than $7.5
trillion (including payloads) geared to a 20 year flight cycle with
existing fissile materials, and the following masses allocated;


ASSIGNED FLIGHTS

MARS SETTLEMENT
60% Mars 6 x 20 = 120 flight cycles/ship - 7,200 flight
cycles - 5,000 tons each
60 ships - 36 million tons on Mars - 1 flight per day

LUNAR SETTLEMENT
30% Moon 60 x 20 = 1200 flight cycles/ship - 3,600 flight
cycles - 5,000 tons each
3 ships - 18 million tons on Moon - 1 flights per day

POWER SATELLITE
10% GEO 60 x 20 = 1200 flight cycles/ship - 1,200 flight
cycles - 5,000 tons each
1 ship - 3.6 million tons on GEO - 2 flights per week

UNASSIGNED - RESERVE - EMERGENCY - 2 per day.
11 ships - 8,000 flight cycles - 727 per ship - 5,000 tons each
20.0 million tons - as needed.

With 2 million tons per year - over 5 million may be supported for 20
years without any infrastructure in place to grow food make air and so
forth. Over a 20 year period, it is likely a self-sufficiency will
develop and the 5 million will grow naturally to 20 million or more.

Launch center where up to 6 ships can be launched simultaneously - and
6 ships land simultaneously - 12 launch pads - and a fleet of 75 ships
each of 10,000 tonnes, fueled with a neutronic fusion fuel, triggered
by the world's nuclear fissile materials, sparked by anti-protons
production at FERMILAB and CERN.

To 'fly off' the nuclear materials in this way will cost less than the
$7.5 trillion spent in accumulating the materials in the first place

http://www.brookings.edu/projects/ar...s/weapons.aspx

The benefit will be human presence across the solar system.

At the end of the 20 year period we would have people living
permanently on the moon, mars, and outposts throughout the solar
system. A nuclear research center, and global defense command would
be established on the moon, under international control, and we would
totally transform our relationship to the cosmos.

A handful of engineers and scientists went to the moon in the late 60s
early 70s of the 20th century. Nearly half of these people were
transformed by their experience.

http://www.noetic.org/about/founder.cfm

The picture of 'meatball Earth' transfixed and transformed a
generation, giving rise to the environmental movement and currency to
the Gaia Hypothesis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_flag

It is an absolute certainty that with millions living across the solar
system, instead of a handful of select individuals visiting the moon,
that a wide array of transforming ideas and feelings will be
engendered in the human species, and many issues facing us today will
be laid to rest as humanity awakens to a larger vision;

http://www.eckharttolle.com/home/


Its not whether or not this occurs, or if this occurs in this way.
Its who will make an effort to shape this awakening and make
technology a vital and enriching component to it?

At the absolute opposite end of the spectrum is the possibility of
loose nukes sparking a global thermonuclear war, decimating our
environment and leading to a massive die off in human numbers. Here,
the same five million will be placed into a transformative environment
and be awakened, but they will not be, and perhaps will never be,
capable of space faring technology after.

On Apr 14, 11:31*am, William Mook wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:34*pm, American wrote:



On Apr 13, 5:03*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Apr 13, 11:54*am, American wrote:

On Apr 12, 6:59*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

It seems our moon/Selene has way more than its fair share of thorium
(10 ppm), as though it once belonged to a thorium rich planet such as
Venus.
*http://www.lunar-research-institute....1999/thorium_g...

*~ BG

Nothing like having a rogue uranium freighter mining the L-Chrondites
long before the moon underground becomes populated by a bunch of earth-
watchers IMO.

What's more fun than a porkulus of moon bats setting up motels on the
moon for rich people, so that everything their already-whored earth
has to offer them in the form of some twisted "environmental
replacement therapy" can only look inward towards their own hidden
agenda (more mind control for masses of earthly whoremongers IMO).

IMO mining for either thorium or uranium has to be done pretty much on
the fly, or we'll end up seeing moon bases like this producing nothing
but diminishing returns on the investment.

Fruits of labor have to sometimes die and produce yet greater
opportunity for succeeding generations of those who can begin again
to *intentionally imprint their own "seed faith", given the pristine
surroundings that are conducive to meditating on some of the more
profound scientific theories, hypotheses, and alternatives -
alternatives *to oppressive scientific regimes, as they exist so much
more ever-presently, in this nation and throughout the world.

Thus the best opportunities for growth are at the earth, or (earth-
like) sphere, however IMO even moon-based 3D VR machines for people
like millionaires, entertainment enthusiasts, and those not interested
in incessantly promoting the ideas and fortunes of the moon as a very
temporal "waystation" should be relegated to their local descending
level within Dante's Lunar Inferno.

Are you one of these?

By the time moon bases are achieved, we (should) have FTL vehicles
exploring the galaxy, and new earths being discovered on a monthly
basis. What happens when these new earths are ready for the human race
to migrate to them? Do you think that most of us will wish to stay
"left behind" with our moon bases and 3D VR machines?

I can only agree with you that the moon should serve as a nuclear
(thorium) fuel depot, and maybe possibly some kind of respite for
renewed gravitational reclamation in this case - nothing else is worth
the investment, IMO.

American

You seem to have your FTL cart well ahead of the mule team again.

You do realize there's a minor difference between being on the moon as
opposed to safely within the moon?

*~ BG- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When our government admits with START, that ALL non-nuclear weapons of
rogue nations, under the non-proliferation treaty, are either (i)
overseas contingencies or (ii) man-caused disasters, and there can be
no longer a nuclear option in the event of an intercontinental (as
well as off-world) THREAT, and there then is an absolute mandate to
accomplish an orbital/off-world PRESENCE, under the umbrella of
nuclear protection and power.

The current administration is (inadvertantly?) working against
establishing an independent, off-world presence by attempting to
enforce a progressive indoctrination (and protocol) over its citizenry
(us?) without protecting its sovereignity (theirs?).

ANYONE can see now that this is a power grab by the noxious adherents
(progressives) of America's own scientific and cultural descendency!

Admittedly, we should rather be building an army of atomic spaceships,
NOT nuclear forensic scientists!

American

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/s...c_weapons/inde...

The USA and Russia could agree to a joint nuclear force which entails
a radical reduction in the total number of weapons

Country * * * * Warheads active/total* *Year of first test * * *CTBT status

Five nuclear weapons states from the NPT

United States * * * * * * * * * * * * * 2,626 / 9,400 * * * * * 1945
("Trinity") * Signatory
Russia (former Soviet Union) * *4,650 / 12,000 *1949 ("RDS-1") * * * *Ratifier
United Kingdom * * * * * * * * * * * * *160 / 185 * * * * * 1952
("Hurricane") * * * * Ratifier
France * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *~300 / 300 * * * * * * *1960
("Gerboise Bleue") * *Ratifier
China * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ~180 / 240 * * * * * * *1964
("596") * * * Signatory

Non-NPT nuclear powers

India * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * n.a. / 60-80 * * * * * *1974
("Smiling Buddha") * *Non-signatory
Pakistan * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *n..a. / 70-90 * * * * * *1998
("Chagai-I") *Non-signatory
North Korea * * * * * * * * * * * * * * n.a. / 10 * * * * * 2006 (2006
test) * Non-signatory

Undeclared nuclear powers

Israel * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *n.a. / 80 * * * * * * * possibly
1979 (See Vela Incident) * * * *Signatory

At its peak the world had over 65,000 active nuclear warheads. *ALL
that material, and additional stockpiles of weapons grade materials
are held, primarily in the USA and USSR. *Enough to build 250,000
nuclear weapons.

This material far and away exceeds the fissile materials used for
nuclear power plants.

http://www.princeton.edu/sgs/

We could easily bring the nuclear weapons research labs under one
international agency, controlled by the USA and Russia, and convert
the world's weapons grade materials into 20,000,000 fissile nuclear
pulse triggers, that would detonate aneutronic fusion powered
propulsive pulse units.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimat...ar_pulse_propu...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aneutronic_fusion

These triggers, totally useless without anti-protons to fire them,
are *a far safer configuration for the fissile materials than anything
else, and far simpler to create. *When used to trigger a fusion pulse,
they form a substantial and safe lift capacity.

One thousand pulses are needed for most missions, this is sufficient
to support 20,000 flight cycles. *Lift capacity is a function of pulse
yield. * A 10,000 ton spacecraft is easily achievable. *Such a
spacecraft could send 5,000 tons to Mars or the Moon or GEO and return
for reuse, in as little as 60 days for Mars, and as little as 60 hours
for the Moon or GEO. *Six flights per year would be possible for each
Mars ship, 60 flights per year for the Moon ship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project..._propulsion%29

75 ships each massing 10,000 tons at lift off, costing less than $7.5
trillion (including payloads) geared to a 20 year flight cycle with
existing fissile materials, and the following masses allocated;

ASSIGNED FLIGHTS

MARS SETTLEMENT
* * *60% *Mars * * 6 x 20 = 120 flight cycles/ship - 7,200 flight
cycles - 5,000 tons each
* * *60 ships - 36 million tons on Mars - 1 flight per day

LUNAR SETTLEMENT
* * *30% *Moon *60 x 20 = 1200 flight cycles/ship - 3,600 flight
cycles - 5,000 tons each
* * * 3 ships - 18 million tons on Moon - 1 flights per day

POWER SATELLITE
* * *10% GEO * *60 x 20 = 1200 flight cycles/ship - 1,200 flight
cycles - 5,000 tons each
* * * 1 ship - 3.6 million tons on GEO - 2 flights per week

UNASSIGNED - RESERVE - EMERGENCY - 2 per day.
* * 11 ships - 8,000 flight cycles - 727 per ship - 5,000 tons each
* * * * * * * * * *20.0 million tons - as needed.

With 2 million tons per year - over 5 million may be supported for 20
years without any infrastructure in place to grow food make air and so
forth. *Over a 20 year period, it is likely a self-sufficiency will
develop and the 5 million will grow naturally to 20 million or more.

Launch center where up to 6 ships can be launched simultaneously - and
6 ships land simultaneously - 12 launch pads - and a fleet of 75 ships
each of 10,000 tonnes, fueled with a neutronic fusion fuel, triggered
by the world's nuclear fissile materials, sparked by anti-protons
production at FERMILAB and CERN.

To 'fly off' the nuclear materials in this way will cost less than the
$7.5 trillion spent in accumulating the materials in the first place

http://www.brookings.edu/projects/ar...s/weapons.aspx

The benefit will be human presence across the solar system.

At the end of the 20 year period we would have people living
permanently on the moon, mars, and outposts throughout the solar
system. *A nuclear research center, and global defense command would
be established on the moon, under international control, and we would
totally transform our relationship to the cosmos.

A handful of engineers and scientists went to the moon in the late 60s
early 70s of the 20th century. *Nearly half of these people were
transformed by their experience.

http://www.noetic.org/about/founder.cfm

The picture of 'meatball Earth' transfixed and transformed a
generation, giving rise to the environmental movement and currency to
the Gaia Hypothesis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_flag

It is an absolute certainty that with millions living across the solar
system, instead of a handful of select individuals visiting the moon,
that a wide array of transforming ideas and feelings will be
engendered in the human species, and many issues facing us today will
be laid to rest as humanity awakens to a larger vision;

http://www.eckharttolle.com/home/

Its not whether or not this occurs, or if this occurs in this way.
Its who will make an effort to shape this awakening and make
technology a vital and enriching component to it?

At the absolute opposite end of the spectrum is the possibility of
loose nukes sparking a global thermonuclear war, decimating our
environment and leading to a massive die off in human numbers. *Here,
the same five million will be placed into a transformative environment
and be awakened, but they will not be, and perhaps will never be,
capable of space faring technology after.

Instead of mutually perpetrating a terribly spendy as well as global
inflationary and otherwise lethal consequences of that cold-war era,
as of decades ago we could have gone for the mutual global nuclear
force thing, and saved ourselves trillions and countless lives to
boot. 9/11 and a few other costly wars of horrific collateral damage
would most likely never have happened.

~ BG

On Apr 13, 5:03*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Apr 13, 11:54*am, American wrote:





On Apr 12, 6:59*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

It seems our moon/Selene has way more than its fair share of thorium
(10 ppm), as though it once belonged to a thorium rich planet such as
Venus.
*http://www.lunar-research-institute....1999/thorium_g...

*~ BG

Nothing like having a rogue uranium freighter mining the L-Chrondites
long before the moon underground becomes populated by a bunch of earth-
watchers IMO.

What's more fun than a porkulus of moon bats setting up motels on the
moon for rich people, so that everything their already-whored earth
has to offer them in the form of some twisted "environmental
replacement therapy" can only look inward towards their own hidden
agenda (more mind control for masses of earthly whoremongers IMO).

IMO mining for either thorium or uranium has to be done pretty much on
the fly, or we'll end up seeing moon bases like this producing nothing
but diminishing returns on the investment.

Fruits of labor have to sometimes die and produce yet greater
opportunity for succeeding generations of those who can begin again
to *intentionally imprint their own "seed faith", given the pristine
surroundings that are conducive to meditating on some of the more
profound scientific theories, hypotheses, and alternatives -
alternatives *to oppressive scientific regimes, as they exist so much
more ever-presently, in this nation and throughout the world.

Thus the best opportunities for growth are at the earth, or (earth-
like) sphere, however IMO even moon-based 3D VR machines for people
like millionaires, entertainment enthusiasts, and those not interested
in incessantly promoting the ideas and fortunes of the moon as a very
temporal "waystation" should be relegated to their local descending
level within Dante's Lunar Inferno.

Are you one of these?

By the time moon bases are achieved, we (should) have FTL vehicles
exploring the galaxy, and new earths being discovered on a monthly
basis. What happens when these new earths are ready for the human race
to migrate to them? Do you think that most of us will wish to stay
"left behind" with our moon bases and 3D VR machines?

I can only agree with you that the moon should serve as a nuclear
(thorium) fuel depot, and maybe possibly some kind of respite for
renewed gravitational reclamation in this case - nothing else is worth
the investment, IMO.

American

You seem to have your FTL cart well ahead of the mule team again.

You do realize there's a minor difference between being on the moon as
opposed to safely within the moon?

*~ BG- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Jeez, Guth, please connect the dots - did you miss the part on rad-
protection? Are you attempting to handicap my subject line “Why Mine
for Uranium in Space” by insisting on building an underground moon
base of some kind?

As I have said before (maybe not specifically), surface mining (which
must begin at the surface and end at the surface is the order of the
mission - is basically an incontrovertable FACT when these kinds of
operations can and must be accomplished 'on the fly'.

However, if you can ask someone who is experiencing patent
suppression, engineering segregation, and/or problems with honest
marketability, they'd probably tell you that progress could be a whole
lot faster.

Maybe a (newer) Congress should have more of an ability to facilitate
a much needed policy change, that would also rename the "American
Association for the Advancement of Science" to the "American
Association for the Advancement of Science AND Engineering".

Security policy with the monopolistic AAAS is at an all time high when
the engineering that Mook speaks of (20,000,000 fissle nuclear pulse
triggers) all becomes abandoned at the expense of governmental greed –
that’s why I’m proposing the off-world resource in the first place –
to eliminate the “greed” factor that the AAAS elites have become so
enamoured with - their overemphasis in assuming an Anti-American
stance by condoning through the ultimate “911 TRUTHER” argument, those
ideas espoused by the likes of John Holdren’s “Science Czar”
philosophy:

1) Proposing forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking
water to control population

2) Global warming now presents imminent and grave global dangers

It would sure seem that our pure science factions are being influenced
politically at a whole different level of progressive indoctrination
than most human-friendly engineers might not be aware of, and the
whole eclectic vision for the future of America becomes a little
twisted when chronologically speaking, U.S. R&D develops at a much
less beneficial rate scientifically, because we’re a little too
geographically hornswaggled politically, from achieving mining on a
massive scale independently, while anywhere on earth mapped
spectrographically, and without being environmentally held responsible
– now all on a transnationalist level.

We should be expanding our homefront towards a cheaper, reliable, and
more abundant source of energy and mineral resource infrastructure
than we have been in the past, because IMO this is what makes or
breaks a nation or any civilization that faces overregulation or
psunami-like government spending.


American

"We will remember in November"

- Anon

On Apr 14, 4:39*pm, American wrote:
On Apr 13, 5:03*pm, Brad Guth wrote:



On Apr 13, 11:54*am, American wrote:

On Apr 12, 6:59*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

It seems our moon/Selene has way more than its fair share of thorium
(10 ppm), as though it once belonged to a thorium rich planet such as
Venus.
*http://www.lunar-research-institute....1999/thorium_g...

*~ BG

Nothing like having a rogue uranium freighter mining the L-Chrondites
long before the moon underground becomes populated by a bunch of earth-
watchers IMO.

What's more fun than a porkulus of moon bats setting up motels on the
moon for rich people, so that everything their already-whored earth
has to offer them in the form of some twisted "environmental
replacement therapy" can only look inward towards their own hidden
agenda (more mind control for masses of earthly whoremongers IMO).

IMO mining for either thorium or uranium has to be done pretty much on
the fly, or we'll end up seeing moon bases like this producing nothing
but diminishing returns on the investment.

Fruits of labor have to sometimes die and produce yet greater
opportunity for succeeding generations of those who can begin again
to *intentionally imprint their own "seed faith", given the pristine
surroundings that are conducive to meditating on some of the more
profound scientific theories, hypotheses, and alternatives -
alternatives *to oppressive scientific regimes, as they exist so much
more ever-presently, in this nation and throughout the world.

Thus the best opportunities for growth are at the earth, or (earth-
like) sphere, however IMO even moon-based 3D VR machines for people
like millionaires, entertainment enthusiasts, and those not interested
in incessantly promoting the ideas and fortunes of the moon as a very
temporal "waystation" should be relegated to their local descending
level within Dante's Lunar Inferno.

Are you one of these?

By the time moon bases are achieved, we (should) have FTL vehicles
exploring the galaxy, and new earths being discovered on a monthly
basis. What happens when these new earths are ready for the human race
to migrate to them? Do you think that most of us will wish to stay
"left behind" with our moon bases and 3D VR machines?

I can only agree with you that the moon should serve as a nuclear
(thorium) fuel depot, and maybe possibly some kind of respite for
renewed gravitational reclamation in this case - nothing else is worth
the investment, IMO.

American

You seem to have your FTL cart well ahead of the mule team again.

You do realize there's a minor difference between being on the moon as
opposed to safely within the moon?

*~ BG- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Jeez, Guth, please connect the dots - did you miss the part on rad-
protection? Are you attempting to handicap my subject line “Why Mine
for Uranium in Space” by insisting on building an underground moon
base of some kind?

As I have said before (maybe not specifically), surface mining (which
must begin at the surface and end at the surface is the order of the
mission - is basically an incontrovertable FACT when these kinds of
operations can and must be accomplished 'on the fly'.

However, if you can ask someone who is experiencing patent
suppression, engineering segregation, and/or problems with honest
marketability, they'd probably tell you that progress could be a whole
lot faster.

Maybe a (newer) Congress should have more of an ability to facilitate
a much needed policy change, that would also rename the "American
Association for the Advancement of Science" to the "American
Association for the Advancement of Science AND Engineering".

Security policy with the monopolistic AAAS is at an all time high when
the engineering that Mook speaks of (20,000,000 fissle nuclear pulse
triggers) all becomes abandoned at the expense of governmental greed –
that’s why I’m proposing the off-world resource in the first place –
to eliminate the “greed” factor that the AAAS elites have become so
enamoured with - their overemphasis in assuming an Anti-American
stance by condoning through the ultimate “911 TRUTHER” argument, those
ideas espoused by the likes of John Holdren’s “Science Czar”
philosophy:

1) Proposing forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking
water to control population

2) Global warming now presents imminent and grave global dangers

It would sure seem that our pure science factions are being influenced
politically at a whole different level of progressive indoctrination
than most human-friendly engineers might not be aware of, and the
whole eclectic vision for the future of America becomes a little
twisted when chronologically speaking, U.S. R&D develops at a much
less beneficial rate scientifically, because we’re a little too
geographically hornswaggled politically, from achieving mining on a
massive scale independently, while anywhere on earth mapped
spectrographically, and without being environmentally held responsible
– now all on a transnationalist level.

We should be expanding our homefront towards a cheaper, reliable, and
more abundant source of energy and mineral resource infrastructure
than we have been in the past, because IMO this is what makes or
breaks a nation or any civilization that faces overregulation or
psunami-like government spending.

American

"We will remember in November"

*- Anon

Then what's not to like about our moon/Selene?

Is there something/anything closer other than our second moon or
Venus?

~ BG

On Apr 15, 12:34*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Apr 14, 4:39*pm, American wrote:





On Apr 13, 5:03*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

On Apr 13, 11:54*am, American wrote:

On Apr 12, 6:59*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

It seems our moon/Selene has way more than its fair share of thorium
(10 ppm), as though it once belonged to a thorium rich planet such as
Venus.
*http://www.lunar-research-institute....1999/thorium_g...

*~ BG

Nothing like having a rogue uranium freighter mining the L-Chrondites
long before the moon underground becomes populated by a bunch of earth-
watchers IMO.

What's more fun than a porkulus of moon bats setting up motels on the
moon for rich people, so that everything their already-whored earth
has to offer them in the form of some twisted "environmental
replacement therapy" can only look inward towards their own hidden
agenda (more mind control for masses of earthly whoremongers IMO).

IMO mining for either thorium or uranium has to be done pretty much on
the fly, or we'll end up seeing moon bases like this producing nothing
but diminishing returns on the investment.

Fruits of labor have to sometimes die and produce yet greater
opportunity for succeeding generations of those who can begin again
to *intentionally imprint their own "seed faith", given the pristine
surroundings that are conducive to meditating on some of the more
profound scientific theories, hypotheses, and alternatives -
alternatives *to oppressive scientific regimes, as they exist so much
more ever-presently, in this nation and throughout the world.

Thus the best opportunities for growth are at the earth, or (earth-
like) sphere, however IMO even moon-based 3D VR machines for people
like millionaires, entertainment enthusiasts, and those not interested
in incessantly promoting the ideas and fortunes of the moon as a very
temporal "waystation" should be relegated to their local descending
level within Dante's Lunar Inferno.

Are you one of these?

By the time moon bases are achieved, we (should) have FTL vehicles
exploring the galaxy, and new earths being discovered on a monthly
basis. What happens when these new earths are ready for the human race
to migrate to them? Do you think that most of us will wish to stay
"left behind" with our moon bases and 3D VR machines?

I can only agree with you that the moon should serve as a nuclear
(thorium) fuel depot, and maybe possibly some kind of respite for
renewed gravitational reclamation in this case - nothing else is worth
the investment, IMO.

American

You seem to have your FTL cart well ahead of the mule team again.

You do realize there's a minor difference between being on the moon as
opposed to safely within the moon?

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Jeez, Guth, please connect the dots - did you miss the part on rad-
protection? Are you attempting to handicap my subject line “Why Mine
for Uranium in Space” by insisting on building an underground moon
base of some kind?

As I have said before (maybe not specifically), surface mining (which
must begin at the surface and end at the surface is the order of the
mission - is basically an incontrovertable FACT when these kinds of
operations can and must be accomplished 'on the fly'.

However, if you can ask someone who is experiencing patent
suppression, engineering segregation, and/or problems with honest
marketability, they'd probably tell you that progress could be a whole
lot faster.

Maybe a (newer) Congress should have more of an ability to facilitate
a much needed policy change, that would also rename the "American
Association for the Advancement of Science" to the "American
Association for the Advancement of Science AND Engineering".

Security policy with the monopolistic AAAS is at an all time high when
the engineering that Mook speaks of (20,000,000 fissle nuclear pulse
triggers) all becomes abandoned at the expense of governmental greed –
that’s why I’m proposing the off-world resource in the first place –
to eliminate the “greed” factor that the AAAS elites have become so
enamoured with - their overemphasis in assuming an Anti-American
stance by condoning through the ultimate “911 TRUTHER” argument, those
ideas espoused by the likes of John Holdren’s “Science Czar”
philosophy:

1) Proposing forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking
water to control population

2) Global warming now presents imminent and grave global dangers

It would sure seem that our pure science factions are being influenced
politically at a whole different level of progressive indoctrination
than most human-friendly engineers might not be aware of, and the
whole eclectic vision for the future of America becomes a little
twisted when chronologically speaking, U.S. R&D develops at a much
less beneficial rate scientifically, because we’re a little too
geographically hornswaggled politically, from achieving mining on a
massive scale independently, while anywhere on earth mapped
spectrographically, and without being environmentally held responsible
– now all on a transnationalist level.

We should be expanding our homefront towards a cheaper, reliable, and
more abundant source of energy and mineral resource infrastructure
than we have been in the past, because IMO this is what makes or
breaks a nation or any civilization that faces overregulation or
psunami-like government spending.

American

"We will remember in November"

*- Anon

Then what's not to like about our moon/Selene?

Is there something/anything closer other than our second moon or
Venus?

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It was from the link:

http://www.spacefuture.com/archive/t...steriods.shtml

that “Application of celestial mechanics shows that (i) simple
estimates of "global minimum" delta-v can be made; (ii) low-
energy opportunities occur at approx 2-yearly intervals, for
many NEAs; (iii) long synodic periods militate against mul-
tiple-return mining missions; (iv) Earth-return hyperbolic
velocity should be kept low; (v) high-eccentricity targets
require Hohmann transfers, and a short mining season at
aphelion; (vi) low-eccentricity targets may use continuous-
thrusting propulsion, and extended mining season. There is a
growing subset of targets that are intermittently accessible
for an outbound delta-v of under 6 km/s, and offering return
departure delta-v under 2 km/sec.”

That was the reason for not getting involved with the moon to begin
with, given that the above delta-V’s were using less energy for the
rendezvous.

However, since your illustrious post regarding vast quantities of
Thorium, the feasibility for mining changes a bit, but ONLY in the
regard that the moon can become developed as a fuel depot –THAT’S ALL
THERE IS TO IT.

Don’t want to go there unless other things are being done with either
L1 or inside the moon? Tough luck, it’s simply NOT worth the
investment!

Want to form a dependency with the type of vessels that are able to
land on the moon without stating the purpose of their visit? If this
is the case, then it’s NOT WORTH THE INVESTMENT.

These are angels upon the head of a pin that the elitists love to
quibble about – we’re talking about incentive here – the same kind of
incentive that people like the Vikings, Columbus, Lewis and Clark,
Christopher Newport (Jamestown), etc., became involved with.

Just like asteroid mining, most of these people became involved to
discover riches and gain territory – the same reason goes for
accomplishing these things “on the fly”, mainly because of the problem
with nuclear fuel, as being the most favorable qualifier for
establishing routes for mapping the the NEA’s.

Want to sacrifice all your cargo in the quest for limiting your delta-
V? Chances are that for a mining mission alone, the “cargo” you carry
is limited to only that required for the mission – nothing else.

ANYTHING ELSE IS NOT WORTH THE INVESTMENT


American

"To doe justly, to love mercy, to walke humbly with our god, for this
end, wee must be knitt together in this worke as one man, wee must
entertaine each other in brotherly affeccion... Wee must delight in
eache other, make others condicions our owne rejoyce together, mourne
together, labour, and suffer together...but if our heartes shall turne
away soe that wee will not obey, but shall be seduced and worshipp
other gods our pleasures, and proffitts, and serve them, it is
propounded unto us this day, wee shall surely perishe out of the good
land whether wee passe over this vast sea to possesse it; therefore
lett us choose life... And cleaveing to him, for hee is our life, and
our prosperity."

- John Winthrop, “The City Upon a Hill”, 1630