What if (on Aliens)

What if we tried to imagine what an alien would look like if the alien
came all the way from Andromeda. Not just his body,but his brain. Would
he have TOE? Is it possible that such a high plain can never be
reached? That no living body can survive such a trip? That we all can
travel no further than our solar systems. Well as body goes
they must have two eyes,Brain on highest up part of their bodies. Two or
four hands. and their heads made to look straight up. They must be as
kind and considerate to each other as possible. TreBert

On Aug 4, 6:05*am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
What if we tried to imagine what an alien would look like if the alien
came all the way from Andromeda. Not just his body,but his brain. Would
he have TOE? *Is it possible that such a high plain can never be
reached? *That no living body can survive such a trip? * That we all can
travel no further than our solar systems. * * * * *Well as body goes
they must have two eyes,Brain on highest up part of their bodies. Two or
four hands. and their heads made to look straight up. *They must be as
kind and considerate to each other as possible. * TreBert

Why not from Sirius B?

It wasn't always a white dwarf, and when it went into it's helium
flashover is when it lost its grip on any number of planets and proto-
moons.

An icy Selene as our proto-moon of 8e22 kg would actually make a
rather nifty interstellar craft. Imagine having a cozy 100 km layer
of ice to protect your frail DNA.

~ BG

"G=EMC^2 Glazier" wrote in message
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What if we tried to imagine what an alien would look like if the alien
came all the way from Andromeda. Not just his body,but his brain. Would
he have TOE? Is it possible that such a high plain can never be
reached? That no living body can survive such a trip? That we all can
travel no further than our solar systems. Well as body goes
they must have two eyes,Brain on highest up part of their bodies. Two or
four hands. and their heads made to look straight up. They must be as
kind and considerate to each other as possible. TreBert


Beeert, there is a very good chance that the real Aliens may not be human-
like at all. Human creatures are strongly influenced by emotions, such as
political affiliations, religion, family ties etc. and subsequently make
decisions based upon those handicaps. Now a race of super robots, androids
if you will, created by human-like creatures and who learned to replicate
and improve themselves and successfully killed off their "creators", would
have no such limitations. They can withstand the coldness of space, the
lack of any kind of atmosphere, are corrosion resistant, don't require any
kind of food, other than the occasional 30 weight shot of oil. They could
harbor an affinity towards humans, or they could come to seek revenge for
the mistreatment suffered under their creators, who also in all likelihood
considered themselves humane and whose emotions were also dictated by
make-believe entities such as gods, ethnical and social concepts of
superiority and false pride, catering to figments of their fertile
imaginations.

Yea, I think they would gleefully kill us all, in order to preserve sanity
in the Universe. Our present global state of affairs would present them with
all the rationale they need.

I'll have to check old Fred out. But A.I. robotics is not all
that far fetched. I've always maintained that when mankind
creates the first realistic artificial woman (with an on-off
switch for the vocal chords), we'll become extinct, since no
man would put up with the real thing any longer.


"Saul Levy" wrote in message
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That's the BERSERKERS to a tee, Hagar! lmfjao!

Fred Saberhagen beat you to it by many YEARS! His first collection of
stories was from 1967. I remember him publishing stories in the pulp
mags earlier than that. Fred's dead (2 years ago).

Berserker is a REGISTERED TRADEMARK. If you FAIL to state so, they
will FIND YOU and TERMINATE YOU! lmfjao!

Saul Levy


On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:16:59 -0700, "Hagar" wrote:

Beeert, there is a very good chance that the real Aliens may not be human-
like at all. Human creatures are strongly influenced by emotions, such as
political affiliations, religion, family ties etc. and subsequently make
decisions based upon those handicaps. Now a race of super robots,
androids
if you will, created by human-like creatures and who learned to replicate
and improve themselves and successfully killed off their "creators", would
have no such limitations. They can withstand the coldness of space, the
lack of any kind of atmosphere, are corrosion resistant, don't require any
kind of food, other than the occasional 30 weight shot of oil. They could
harbor an affinity towards humans, or they could come to seek revenge for
the mistreatment suffered under their creators, who also in all likelihood
considered themselves humane and whose emotions were also dictated by
make-believe entities such as gods, ethnical and social concepts of
superiority and false pride, catering to figments of their fertile
imaginations.

Yea, I think they would gleefully kill us all, in order to preserve sanity
in the Universe. Our present global state of affairs would present them
with
all the rationale they need.

On Aug 4, 6:05*am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
What if we tried to imagine what an alien would look like if the alien
came all the way from Andromeda. Not just his body,but his brain. Would
he have TOE? *Is it possible that such a high plain can never be
reached? *That no living body can survive such a trip? * That we all can
travel no further than our solar systems. * * * * *Well as body goes
they must have two eyes,Brain on highest up part of their bodies. Two or
four hands. and their heads made to look straight up. *They must be as
kind and considerate to each other as possible. * TreBert


Yes in all likelihood aliens would look very similar to us, because
the configuration of our bodies is very successful for our survival
and utilization of our intelligence. For instance, a creature with
its eyes on its feet would not make much sense for survival.

One should never say anything is impossible and so we cannot say for
sure that trips between the Milky Way and Andromeda for humans or
other intelligent creatures are impossible. There is still too much
we do not understand about the universe. But anyone able to survive
such a trip would almost have to have a TOE.

Robots could more easily withstand the journey, but the inclination
might be to simply send them out on a trip that would take them 3
million years. Intelligent humanoid creatures, not having that much
time on their hands, would keep looking for the short cut: the
wormhole, the FTL technology, or warp drives. Accomplishing the trip
FTL, and being able to communicate FTL, would make them much more
effective in whatever they were setting out to do.

They conquest of the Milky Way by the Andromedans would only be
attempted if they had FTL technology. Otherwise, what would be the
point?

Double-A

Ever read cities in flight by James Blish?

covers the rest of this thread...and a great story

Dave




"Saul Levy" wrote in message
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That's the BERSERKERS to a tee, Hagar! lmfjao!

Fred Saberhagen beat you to it by many YEARS! His first collection of
stories was from 1967. I remember him publishing stories in the pulp
mags earlier than that. Fred's dead (2 years ago).

Berserker is a REGISTERED TRADEMARK. If you FAIL to state so, they
will FIND YOU and TERMINATE YOU! lmfjao!

Saul Levy


On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:16:59 -0700, "Hagar" wrote:

Beeert, there is a very good chance that the real Aliens may not be human-
like at all. Human creatures are strongly influenced by emotions, such as
political affiliations, religion, family ties etc. and subsequently make
decisions based upon those handicaps. Now a race of super robots,
androids
if you will, created by human-like creatures and who learned to replicate
and improve themselves and successfully killed off their "creators", would
have no such limitations. They can withstand the coldness of space, the
lack of any kind of atmosphere, are corrosion resistant, don't require any
kind of food, other than the occasional 30 weight shot of oil. They could
harbor an affinity towards humans, or they could come to seek revenge for
the mistreatment suffered under their creators, who also in all likelihood
considered themselves humane and whose emotions were also dictated by
make-believe entities such as gods, ethnical and social concepts of
superiority and false pride, catering to figments of their fertile
imaginations.

Yea, I think they would gleefully kill us all, in order to preserve sanity
in the Universe. Our present global state of affairs would present them
with
all the rationale they need.

Hagar Nice rebuttal. Yes silicone instead of organic matter could fit
better for spacetime and all its hazardous conditions. It does poise the
question,can a robot pass the Turing test?? treBert

On Aug 4, 5:58*pm, "Hagar" wrote:
"BradGuth" wrote in message

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On Aug 4, 2:44 pm, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:

Double A so well put. Reality is to go F.T.L. would go against macro
GR. To have a worm-hole would only fit in micro QM. It is sad that
Venus does not have any life . TreBert

It's even more sad and pathetic that you have to use conditional laws
of physics and otherwise obfuscate whatever science rocks your braille-
only boat.

Say, why would ETs be as dumb and dumber than us?

*~ BG

Good point, GuthBall ... it's difficult to imagine anything dumber
than you ... even pet rocks are smarter ...

In other words, you are in fact living proof that I'm right.

~ BG

On Aug 4, 9:05*am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
What if we tried to imagine what an alien would look like if the alien
came all the way from Andromeda. Not just his body,but his brain.

I think there's a growing idea that any aliens might not be life as we
understand it.
It may be a hybrid of organic and machine, synthetic or simply
robotic.
They might be very frail delicate creatures that have to utilize such
methods just to keep from withering away completely.

Of course, if you could imagine a race 10,000 years, 100,000 years, 1
million years humanities senior...
they're simply thinking and existing on whole different plain than
humans are.

* * * * *Well as body goes
they must have two eyes,Brain on highest up part of their bodies. Two or
four hands. and their heads made to look straight up. *

What they must have could be anything.
I have a fantasy of what a 5 or 6 fingered hand might be like with 2
opposing thumbs on each side of the hand.

They must be as
kind and considerate to each other as possible. *

They probably wouldn't care for us very much then...at least not en
mass.

Imagine yourself 1 million years advanced from a human/ape.
About the only way you could even somewhat communicate with it is by
putting it in a cage to live while you study it.
Of course you would know it's dangerous, unpredictable and have the IQ
of a severely retarded modern human.

On Aug 7, 11:54*am, studio wrote:
On Aug 4, 9:05*am, (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:

What if we tried to imagine what an alien would look like if the alien
came all the way from Andromeda. Not just his body,but his brain.

I think there's a growing idea that any aliens might not be life as we
understand it.
It may be a hybrid of organic and machine, synthetic or simply
robotic.
They might be very frail delicate creatures that have to utilize such
methods just to keep from withering away completely.

Of course, if you could imagine a race 10,000 years, 100,000 years, 1
million years humanities senior...
they're simply thinking and existing on whole different plain than
humans are.

** * * * *Well as body goes
they must have two eyes,Brain on highest up part of their bodies. Two or
four hands. and their heads made to look straight up. *

What they must have could be anything.
I have a fantasy of what a 5 or 6 fingered hand might be like with 2
opposing thumbs on each side of the hand.

They must be as
kind and considerate to each other as possible. *

They probably wouldn't care for us very much then...at least not en
mass.

Imagine yourself 1 million years advanced from a human/ape.
About the only way you could even somewhat communicate with it is by
putting it in a cage to live while you study it.
Of course you would know it's dangerous, unpredictable and have the IQ
of a severely retarded modern human.

Or imagine our pathetic species minus a war or two. Just think of the
technological advancements upon what could just as easily have been
accomplished and otherwise easily paid for, with loot to spare.

Our mutually and mostly Zionist perpetrated cold-war alone has cost
humanity 10+ trillions, and counting, and for what good?

~ BG