Finite Relativism & Special Relativity Disproof

doug wrote:

No, if you feel the earth has the least effect on your formulas,
then your weight should vary according to which direction the
sun is on as well as the mass center of the milky way. Since you claim,
in your fudge factor that those terms are 10^9 to 10^30 or so bigger
than the terms from the earth, you weight should vary by an factor of
billions at least. In fact, the sun should suck you right off the
earth. It does not have any noticeable effect on my weight so I
know the earth is the dominant term in the gravity. This means
that FR is a joke.

Actually those are kg^2/m^2, not kg. And yes the Sun and the Milky Way
turn out having a stronger influence on the GPS gravitational time
dilation than the Earth itself. The Earth's influence is just a little
"bump" that ends around a geostationary satellite's altitude.

Phil Bouchard wrote:
doug wrote:

[...]

You do not like the postulates but that has no effect on their
validity. Phil also wants to ignore a century of experimental
verification of relativity. That is what cranks do.

Both SR postulates are wrong.

How so? You say that but have not cited an example of
either postulate being contradicted by observation. Are
we to assume then that this is just another case of your
not liking something so that makes it wrong?

Phil Bouchard wrote:

Greg Neill wrote:


No, quite the reverse. Length and mass dilation can occur
without any ensuing paradoxes.


So they occur but aren't measurable? This is yet another hypothesis
that can never be proven.

Still seeing paradoxes Phil? It's amazing that you claim that
paradoxes abound, yet are singularly unable to demonstrate even
one without committing simple but attrocious logical errors
and misunderstandings.


I assume you are redefining "logic" because in the real world you call
this a deadlock.

No, we call it Phil's ignorance.

It's not mentioned because it's a blatantly wrong and unfounded
conclusion.


It doesn't work and I saw more difficult problems to solve than that.

Phil does not understand relativity so he hopes it is wrong so he
will not have to study. But, every prediction phil makes is wrong.

Phil Bouchard wrote:

doug wrote:

[...]

You do not like the postulates but that has no effect on their
validity. Phil also wants to ignore a century of experimental
verification of relativity. That is what cranks do.


Both SR postulates are wrong.

Phil thinks that his ignorance is a scientific argument. Phil
has shown no problem with any aspect of relativity. He just
does not like it. He is having a tantrum.

Phil makes up things so that he can feel better about his ignorance.
That is what cranks do.


It turns out the mathematical representation that was already started by
Milkowski was later plagiarized from Marcel Grossmann:
http://christianparty.net/einsteinplagiarist.htm

Einstein has little to do with GR.

So now you have given up trying to refute relativity and are into
attacks on Einstein. You are moving along the typical crank trail.



"You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull
his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you
understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send
signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there
is no cat." -- Albert Einstein

"If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only
have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more
plants, no more animals, no more man." -- Albert Einstein

"With fame I become more and more stupid, which of course is a very
common phenomenon." -- Albert Einstein

"The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again
and expecting different results." -- Albert Einstein

Phil Bouchard wrote:

doug wrote:


This would get you an F on any science report. You fudge factor is just
that, a correction to try to take your wrong answer and make the correct
answer from it with no justification at all other than you want to get
the right answer. You are also trying to claim that your results are
final if no one has done measurements. That is stupid for a couple of
reasons, one is that you are ignorant of what experiments have been
done (yes you will be expected to do a little work yourself as you
are claiming it is your theory) and you do not even get the right
number for the surface of the earth or the gps satellite.


This is not a science report but an estimate. The fudge factor is final
in the sense that you calculate it once for any time dilation
measurement inside the entire solar system.

You calculate it once for each point in the galaxy for each velocity
and for each second in the history of the universe. That is a pretty
big spreadsheet phil. And, phil tries to calculate it by adjusting FR
to give the results of FR. It would be quicker to just use GR.

Its precision might be
improved after the weighting of the galaxy's influence but the fudge
factor will remain an estimate.

Furthermore Doug is claiming FR predictions are wrong at 0 km and 20200
km of altitude and I just listed all predictions and given the graphical
divergence of GR and FR. Both plots share the same origin at 0 km:
http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/p...peb8/gtd-2.png

The plot is hilarious. It would give you an F in a freshman class
of any sort. I love the vertical scale. The tick marks are 1,1,1,1.
Have you ever figured out that that makes no sense.

Phil Bouchard wrote:

doug wrote:


Well then, it is even more wrong. Try calculating the shift at the
center of the earth and you will see what I mean.


"inside a sphere" calculations aren't handled yet.

Hint: they are zero. But if you had taken a science class you would
know that. But the physics for poets class did not go into real
science.

Phil Bouchard wrote:

doug wrote:


No, if you feel the earth has the least effect on your formulas,
then your weight should vary according to which direction the
sun is on as well as the mass center of the milky way. Since you claim,
in your fudge factor that those terms are 10^9 to 10^30 or so bigger
than the terms from the earth, you weight should vary by an factor of
billions at least. In fact, the sun should suck you right off the
earth. It does not have any noticeable effect on my weight so I
know the earth is the dominant term in the gravity. This means
that FR is a joke.


Actually those are kg^2/m^2, not kg. And yes the Sun and the Milky Way
turn out having a stronger influence on the GPS gravitational time
dilation than the Earth itself.

There is one of your problems right there. You have lots of problems.
You have not gotten any guess right yet.

The Earth's influence is just a little
"bump" that ends around a geostationary satellite's altitude.

We love to watch you flail in your ignorance. You are here to dance
for us.

Sam Wormley wrote:

You obviously have no idea what you are doing... Your stuff is all
bull****
and it's wrong. Why do you think I asked you about satellite clocks at an
orbital altitude of 202km ? You are PFS Phil.... PFS!


Why do you think I explicitly answered you with:
y = 0.99999999997891; (FR)
y = 0.99999999997863; (GR)

doug wrote:

Hint: they are zero. But if you had taken a science class you would
know that. But the physics for poets class did not go into real
science.

Hint: Doug teaches plagiarized blunders.

doug wrote:

You calculate it once for each point in the galaxy for each velocity
and for each second in the history of the universe. That is a pretty
big spreadsheet phil. And, phil tries to calculate it by adjusting FR
to give the results of FR. It would be quicker to just use GR.

All you can do with GR is calculate the GPS. Nothing more, nothing less.

The FR fudge factor needs to be calculated once for all your
measurements in position and time inside the interstellar neighborhood.
This makes this science a little more practical.

The plot is hilarious. It would give you an F in a freshman class
of any sort. I love the vertical scale. The tick marks are 1,1,1,1.
Have you ever figured out that that makes no sense.

The tick marks are rounded up, given the high number of 9s. This is why
I gave you a list of explicit calculations.

Did I mention this is a draft?